Basics of Limits: Why Absolute Value?

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The discussion centers around the use of absolute value in the definition of limits in calculus, specifically why the expression \(\mid a_n - L \mid < \varepsilon\) is preferred over \(L - a_n < \varepsilon\). Participants explore the implications of these formulations in the context of convergence and distance measurement.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the definition of convergence includes absolute values, suggesting that the relation might be the same without it.
  • Another participant argues that omitting absolute values would incorrectly classify certain sequences, such as \(a_n = L + 1\), as converging to \(L\).
  • A different participant explains that \(\mid a_n - L \mid < \varepsilon\) ensures \(a_n\) is within \((L - \varepsilon, L + \varepsilon)\), while \(L - a_n < \varepsilon\) only restricts \(a_n\) to be less than \(L\) by no more than \(\varepsilon\).
  • One participant offers an intuitive perspective, stating that limits are about showing two numbers get close together, and absolute value is the appropriate measure of distance in one dimension.
  • Another participant reinforces the idea that absolute value represents distance, noting that it is always non-negative and symmetric, which is crucial when dealing with variables where the larger number is not known.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of absolute values in the definition of limits, with some supporting their inclusion for clarity and correctness, while others question their necessity. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully explore the implications of their claims, and there are assumptions about the understanding of convergence and distance that are not explicitly stated. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical nuances involved in the definitions presented.

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I know its a banal question but I am new to calculus course and there are no math teachers in summer... also my book does not explain it

Why it is
[tex]\mid a_n - L \mid < \varepsilon[/tex]

And not just
[tex]L - a_n < \varepsilon[/tex]

??
wouldn't the relation be the same?
 
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If the definition of convergence did not include the absolute values, it would mean, for instance, that the constant sequence [itex]a_n = L+1[/itex] converges to L since for all n, [itex]L-(L+1)=-1<\epsilon[/itex].
 
The statement [tex]\mid a_n - L \mid < \varepsilon[/tex] requires [tex]a_n[/tex] to be no more than [tex]\varepsilon[/tex] away from L, that is to say [tex]a_n\in (L- \varepsilon , L+ \varepsilon )[/tex];
whereas the statement [tex]L - a_n < \varepsilon[/tex] only requires [tex]a_n[/tex] less than L by no more than [tex]\varepsilon[/tex], that is to say [tex]a_n\in (L- \varepsilon , L)[/tex].
 
Here's a more intuitive way of looking at it.. limits are all about showing two numbers get really close together...

The best (only) way to measure distance in one dimension is absolute value. So of course you'd use that
 
As office shredder said, |a- b| is the distance between numbers a and b. Of course, a distance is never negative and the distance from a to b is the same as the distance from b to a so it shouldn't matter which is larger. The number 7 is 3 steps away from the number 4. I could see that, of course by subtracting 7- 4= 3 but when I am using variables, I don't know which is larger. |7- 4|= |4- 7|= 3 regardless of which is larger.
 

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