BDT scores: Signal vs Background

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of BDT (Boosted Decision Tree) scores in distinguishing between "Signal" and "Background" outcomes in particle physics experiments. Participants explore the binary nature of these classifications and the implications of BDT scores on signal selection and background rejection.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a BDT score can be interpreted as a likelihood of being signal or background, asking if a higher score indicates a stronger signal.
  • Another participant suggests that the binary classification of S/B can be expanded into multiple categories with varying S/B ratios, allowing for more nuanced analysis.
  • A clarification is made that the BDT provides a ranking based on S/B ratio, which may influence how signals are categorized.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of BDT scores and whether a binary classification is sufficient, indicating that multiple competing views remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There is an assumption that the BDT score directly correlates with the likelihood of being classified as signal or background, but this relationship is not universally accepted among participants.

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I have one question:
Many times, in order to test whether an outcome should be considered as "Signal" (S) or "Background" (B), we are using BDTs which we have trained on known outcomes...
I was wondering though, the outcome of being S/B is binary : either it's signal or it's not... the only way I can interpret the BDT variable after that is as "how likely it is to be signal or not", since a particular cut on the BDT corresponds to some particular background rejection and signal efficiency (ROC curves).
Is my interpretation correct? Would a "signal" object with a BDTscore=0.89 be a less likely signal than one with BDTscore=0.95 ? If not, then is there a way to compare the two events? I.e. the higher I place a cut on BDT the stronger/tighter signal events I'm selecting?
 
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ChrisVer said:
the outcome of being S/B is binary
It doesn't have to be. You can make multiple categories with increasing S/B ratio (increasing BDT score) and study them separately. LHCb does this for ##B_s \to \mu \mu## measurements, ATLAS and CMS do this for ##H \to \gamma \gamma## measurements for example. It improves your sensitivity compared to a single cut.
 
mfb said:
It doesn't have to be. You can make multiple categories with increasing S/B ratio (increasing BDT score) and study them separately. LHCb does this for ##B_s \to \mu \mu## measurements, ATLAS and CMS do this for ##H \to \gamma \gamma## measurements for example. It improves your sensitivity compared to a single cut.
Sorry I didn't mean the ratio between Signal and Background, but being Signal or being Background (shortly I wrote S/B for S or B)
 
I know, but what the BDT gives you is a ranking in terms of S/B ratio.
 

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