Beetle on a Pendulum Homework: Solving Displacement & Speed

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The problem involves a beetle riding on a pendulum with a string length of 170 cm, exploring the distance traveled along the pendulum's path, the displacement during the swing, and the speed of the beetle at a given angular velocity of 3.3 rad/s.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of displacement, with some suggesting the use of sine and cosine rules. There is uncertainty about whether the triangle formed is a right triangle or an isosceles triangle, leading to different approaches for finding the displacement.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering various methods and questioning the assumptions about the triangle's properties. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of the law of sines and law of cosines, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach for calculating displacement.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the correct interpretation of the triangle formed by the pendulum's swing, which affects the calculations for displacement. Participants are also reflecting on the correctness of their previous calculations.

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Homework Statement



A beetle takes a joy ride on a pendulum. The string supporting the mass of the pendulum is 170 cm long.

A) If the beetle rides through a swing of 43 degrees, how far has he traveled along the path of the pendulum?

B) What is the displacement experienced by the beetle while moving through the same angle 43 degrees?

C) If the pendulum at some instant is swinging at 3.3 rad/s, how fast is the beetle traveling?

Homework Equations



theta = s/r

The Attempt at a Solution



A) 43/360 * (2pi * 170) = 127.584 cm - correct

B) s = r(theta)

s = 170 x 43(pi/180) = 127.584 cm - incorrect

C) theta = s/r

3.3 = s/170

s = 561 cm/s - correct

I don't know what I did wrong for part b. Perhaps I am supposed to multiply by pi/360?
 
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For displacement, imagine an arrow drawn from the starting position to the final position. What's the length of that arrow?
 
Doc Al said:
For displacement, imagine an arrow drawn from the starting position to the final position. What's the length of that arrow?

sin43 = x/170

x = sin43 x 170

x = 115.9397
 
I don't think its a right angle triangle. Maybe cosine rule? :smile:
 
I think it might be a right angle because we are taking the angle measurement from the rest position and if I draw and arrow to the right and connect the hypotenuse (170 cm) then the angle turns out to be 90 degrees on the bottom with a 43 degree angle on top.
 
Warmacblu said:
I think it might be a right angle because we are taking the angle measurement from the rest position and if I draw and arrow to the right and connect the hypotenuse (170 cm) then the angle turns out to be 90 degrees on the bottom with a 43 degree angle on top.
It's not a right triangle; it's an isoceles triangle with the long sides equal to the length of the string. Hint: Law of sines.
 
Doc Al said:
It's not a right triangle; it's an isoceles triangle with the long sides equal to the length of the string. Hint: Law of sines.

I looked up the law of sines and law of cosines and I think the law of cosines would be easier to use:

c2 = a2 + b2 – 2abcosC

c2 = 1702 + 1702 - 2*170*170*cos(43)

c = 124.6104

Does that seem okay.
 
Looks good.

Using the law of sines, it's just: 170/sin(68.5) = x/sin(43)
 
Doc Al said:
Looks good.

Using the law of sines, it's just: 170/sin(68.5) = x/sin(43)

Thanks for the help.
 

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