Behavior of charged particles in a speed selector

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The discussion centers on the behavior of charged particles in a speed selector, which utilizes electric and magnetic fields to filter particles based on their velocities. It explains that particles with velocities different from the ratio E/B will be deflected either upwards or downwards, depending on whether their speed is greater or less than this ratio. The participants highlight that the magnitude of the electric and magnetic fields is crucial for accurately predicting particle behavior, particularly when the electric field is significantly stronger than the magnetic field. The motion of the charged particles can be described by the Lorentz force equation, leading to cyclic velocities and trochoidal trajectories. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding these dynamics to fully grasp the motion of charged particles in varying field strengths.
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Considering the device above, which uses electric and magnetic fields placed properly to avoid charged moving particles with velocities different from the ratio ##\frac{E}{B}## to exit, getting deflected upwards or downwards. All that is easily demonstrable by equalling the forces acting on the particle: ##qE=qvB##.
Now, my question is: what happens to particles with ##v\neq \frac{E}{B}##?
What I found online if ##v>\frac{E}{B}## Lorentz's force will be greater(since it's proportional to speed) than the electric one, so the particle will get deflected upwards; otherwise, if ##v<\frac{E}{B}##, the electric force will "win" so the particle will move downwards... but this explanation doesn't satisfy me:
what if the electric field is much greater than the magnetic one, and even if ##v>\frac{E}{B}##, ##E>vB## and vice-versa?
Shouldn't we know the magnitude of both fields to predict the behavior of particles with ##v\neq \frac{E}{B}##?
 
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If v > E/B, then E is less than vB. It cannot then be greater than vB.
 
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Hello.
Lorentz force including electric field makes the charged particle move as
\mathbf{F}=q(\mathbf{E}+\mathbf{v} \times \mathbf{B})=\frac{d \mathbf{p}}{dt}
we should solve this equation of motion to know its motion. By solving the equation we know its velocity is cyclic in time with drifting speed of ##\frac{E}{B}## in time average. The trajectories are trochoids.

So your first v=E/B case is the special setting that this time average speed is an actual speed and the trajectory is a line.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
If v > E/B, then E is less than vB. It cannot then be greater than vB.
Right, that's what I was missing... thanks for the hint!
 

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