Rate of work done by F on charge carrier with average velocity v

In summary: So using the high-school definition of work is not always applicable. In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of work and power in relation to the flow of current in a resistor. The rate at which work is done, or power, is defined as the derivative of work over time. However, this definition is not always applicable as work is not the only way to transfer energy.
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I am reading the book Electricity and Magnetism by Purcell and Morin. In Chapter 4, entitled "Electric Currents", there is a small section 4.8 called "Energy Dissipation in Current Flow". I'd like to understand a certain snippet from this section.
In the book Electricity and Magnetism by Purcell and Morin, there is the following snippet

The flow of current in a resistor involves the dissipation of energy. If it takes a force ##\vec{F}## to push a charge carrier along with average velocity ##\vec{v}##, any agency that accomplishes this must do work ##F\cdot v##. If an electric field E is driving the ion of charge ##q##, then ##\vec{F}=q\vec{E}##, and the rate at which work is done is ##q\vec{E}\cdot\vec{v}##.

My question is how to arrive at ##\vec{F}\cdot\vec{v}## as the rate that work is done?
 
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After writing out the question I realized that

$$W=\int_C \vec{F}\cdot d\vec{r}$$

$$=\int_{t_0}^{t} \vec{F}(\vec{r}(t))\cdot \vec{v}(t)dt$$

and so

$$\frac{dW}{dt}=\vec{F}(\vec{r}(t))\cdot \vec{v}(t)$$
 
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zenterix said:
After writing out the question I realized that

$$W=\int_C \vec{F}\cdot d\vec{r}$$

$$=\int_{t_0}^{t} \vec{F}(\vec{r}(t))\cdot \vec{v}(t)dt$$

and so

$$\frac{dW}{dt}=\vec{F}(\vec{r}(t))\cdot \vec{v}(t)$$
This is correct.

There is a simpler and more understandable approach.
The rate at which work is done is power by definition, so:

## P = \frac {dW} {dt} = \frac {d} {dt} (\vec F \cdot \vec r) = \vec F \cdot \frac {d\vec r} {dt} = \vec F \cdot \vec v ##

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Gavran said:
There is a simpler and more understandable approach.

Which is not general since you used a very narrow, high-school definition of work.
 
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weirdoguy said:
Which is not general since you used a very narrow, high-school definition of work.
Power is the rate at which work is done is definition of power, not of work. This definition was used here to make the answer to the question how to arrive at ## \vec F \cdot \vec v ## as the rate that work is done more complete.
 
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Gavran said:
Power is the rate at which work is done is definition of power, not of work.

I know, but you used high-school definition of work: ##\vec{F}\cdot\vec{r}##. Thus your approach is not general. @zenterix approach is the most general.
 
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Gavran said:
is definition of power

Also, the more general definition is the rate at which energy is transferred. Work is not the only way to transfer energy, there is also heat.
 

1. What is the formula for calculating the rate of work done by F on a charge carrier with average velocity v?

The formula for calculating the rate of work done by a force (F) on a charge carrier with average velocity (v) is given by W = F * v, where W is the rate of work done in joules per second (J/s) or watts (W).

2. How is the rate of work done related to the velocity of the charge carrier?

The rate of work done by a force on a charge carrier is directly proportional to the velocity of the charge carrier. This means that as the velocity of the charge carrier increases, the rate of work done also increases, and vice versa.

3. Can the rate of work done by F on a charge carrier be negative?

Yes, the rate of work done by a force on a charge carrier can be negative. This occurs when the direction of the force and the direction of the velocity of the charge carrier are opposite, resulting in a negative value for the rate of work done.

4. How does the rate of work done affect the kinetic energy of the charge carrier?

The rate of work done by a force on a charge carrier is directly related to the change in kinetic energy of the charge carrier. As the rate of work done increases, the change in kinetic energy also increases, and vice versa.

5. Can the rate of work done on a charge carrier be used to determine its acceleration?

Yes, the rate of work done on a charge carrier can be used to determine its acceleration. This can be done by rearranging the formula for work (W = F * d) to solve for acceleration (a = F/m) and substituting the rate of work done (W) and mass (m) of the charge carrier.

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