Behaviour of 3-fermions in a Magnetic Field

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The discussion centers on the behavior of three fermions in a magnetic field, specifically in the context of the Pauli-Schrödinger equation and the implications of spin configurations. Participants explore theoretical aspects, including wavefunction symmetries, the effects of magnetic fields on spin states, and the complexity of solving for ground states in such systems.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the wavefunction for three fermions as a vector that includes separate components for spin-up and spin-down states, questioning how to represent mixed spins in terms of symmetry.
  • Another participant discusses the implications of strong versus weak magnetic fields on the occupancy of energy states, relating this to the concept of Landau levels and the behavior of the Fermi level.
  • A different participant notes that mixed spins can occur even without opposing confining potentials, suggesting that magnetic interactions can lead to such configurations.
  • Concerns are raised about the complexity of solving the Pauli-Schrödinger equation for different spin configurations and whether all combinations need to be considered to find the minimum energy state.
  • One participant emphasizes the need to use a Slater determinant to ensure the antisymmetry of the wavefunction, indicating that this could lead to extensive calculations.
  • Another participant questions how the coupling between spin states, as represented by Pauli matrices, is captured in the proposed wavefunction formulation.
  • A later reply suggests that the Pauli matrices can be treated as diagonal under certain assumptions about the magnetic field, and discusses the relevance of coupling when measuring total spin.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the treatment of spin configurations and the implications of magnetic fields, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the best approach to modeling the system.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the system due to the need for antisymmetry in the wavefunction and the potential for numerous spin configurations, which complicates the analysis. There are also discussions about the assumptions made regarding magnetic field strength and its effects on spin states.

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When solving Pauil-Schrödinger Equation for 3-fermions in a potential well and a magnetic field, we basically solve the vector,

[itex] <br /> \Psi(r_{1},r_{2},r_{3})=\left( <br /> \begin{array}{cc} <br /> \psi\uparrow(r_{1},r_{2},r_{3}) \\ <br /> \psi\downarrow(r_{1},r_{2},r_{3}) <br /> \end{array} <br /> \right)<br /> <br /> [/itex]

The [itex]\psi\uparrow[/itex] represents the wavefunction for all-spin up case, and [itex]\psi\downarrow[/itex] represents the wavefunction for all-spin down case. And for these cases both [itex]\psi\uparrow[/itex] and [itex]\psi\downarrow[/itex] has to be anti-symmetric to include the effect of Pauli Exclusion Principle since all the particles have the same spin.

But how about the wavefunction for the case when you have mixed spins? And how should you reflect this in the symmetric or anti-symmetric properties of [itex]\Psi[/itex]?

Thanks for your feedback.
 
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This is a fun question.

I'm going to focus on the ground states when magnetic field and confining potential try to counter act each other.

If the magnetic field is very strong, all the spins will be parallel, and the n=1,2,3 states will be occupied by one electron.

If the magnetic field is weak, n=1 will be occupied by two electrons one of each spin, and n=2 will be occupied with one electron

This is a very elegant way to understand the concept of Landau levels, and how the Fermi level shifts with increasing field.
 
Hi rigetFrog,

If the magnetic field is very strong, then (as you stated) it’s going to be straight forward (simply one fermion per 1, 2, and 3).

If the magnetic field is weak, you don’t have to have an opposing confining potential to have mixed spins. The magnetic interaction between the particles’ spin can lead to that scenario as well.

The question is: how by solving Pauli-Schrödinger Equation I can get the spin configuration that results in minimum ground state? I hope I don’t have to solve for all the combinations of spin ordering, and pick the case with the minimum energy.
 
The purpose of opposing confining potentials is to reduce the complexity of the system from a continuum of allowed energies (which is more challenging to solve), to several allowed energies that are multiples of n^2.

Don't worry about magnetic interaction between spins. Focus on how they (your Fermions) cannot have the same quantum numbers.

Unfortunately, you will probably have to write the full wave function and use the Slater determinant to make it anti-symmetric.PSI =
+ psi_1(x1,s1)*psi_2(x2,s2)*psi_3(x3,s3)
- psi_1(x1,s1)*psi_2(x3,s3)*psi_3(x2,s2)
+ psi_2(x1,s1)*psi_1(x2,s2)*psi_3(x3,s3)
- psi_2(x1,s1)*psi_1(x3,s3)*psi_3(x2,s2)
+ ...

for each psi, you already know you can't get above n = 3 for the ground state, so you only need to use those three terms.

I imagine doing this will take up several pages of paper.
 
Now my problem with your formulation of [itex]\Psi[/itex] is the following: In Pauli-Schrödinger equation, there is coupling between [itex]\psi\uparrow[/itex] and [itex]\psi\downarrow[/itex] that occurs in the differential equation due to the Pauli's matrices. And this is captured through using [itex]\Psi[/itex] on a form of vector.

In the way you showed [itex]\Psi[/itex], how would that coupling be captured? Or how Pauli's matrices should be stated?
 
Syntactically, I absorbed the spinor (spin vector) term into psi.

I want to say the Pauli matrices will be diagonal, corresponding to spin states that are parallel with the field.

Explicitly

U = -B.S.spinor

U is energy, B is the magnetic field, and 'spinor' is the spin vector and S is a vector of pauli matrices

S = Sx x_hat + Sy y_hat + Sz z_hat

where _hat denotes the unit vector and Sx,Sy,Sz are the paul spin matrices. If you assume B = Bz z_hat, then Sx and Sy can be ignored.

Your question about coupling between spinors will become relevant if you try to measure the total spin of the system. Then you'll have to use the Clebsch Gordon coefficients to transform the basis.
 

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