Behaviour of charged particle.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of a charged particle in relation to a uniform magnetic field, particularly focusing on the effects of relative motion between the particle and the magnetic field. Participants explore whether the force experienced by a stationary charged particle changes if the magnetic field moves past it, and the implications of this scenario on the understanding of electromagnetic interactions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if a stationary charged particle experiences the same force when a uniform magnetic field moves past it, suggesting that this could imply the magnetic field's interaction with the particle is more significant than the particle's motion.
  • Another participant responds that if a purely magnetic field is moved, it becomes a combination of a magnetic field and an electric field, asserting that the magnetic field has no effect on the stationary particle, and the effect is entirely due to the electric field.
  • Further replies reinforce the idea that there would be no effect from the uniform magnetic field on the stationary particle.
  • A participant raises a concern about the role of relative motion in the interaction, questioning why there should be different results if the particle cannot distinguish between its own motion and that of the magnetic field.
  • Responses indicate that the charged particle perceives itself as stationary and thus experiences the same mixed electromagnetic field regardless of the frame of reference.
  • Some participants express confusion about the reasoning behind the equivalence of results in different frames of reference.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the implications of relative motion between the charged particle and the magnetic field, with some asserting that the results are the same regardless of the frame of reference, while others seek clarification on this point.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the nature of electromagnetic fields and the effects of relative motion, as well as the interpretation of results from different reference frames.

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A charged particle moving through a uniform magnetic field experiences a force perpendicular to the direction of motion due to the magnetic field created around the charged particle. I would like to know if the particle were stationary and a uniform magnetic field moved past it would the nature of the force experienced by the particle be the same? If yes, would it imply that the interaction of the magnetic field with the particle is responsible for the magnetic field around the charged particle and not the motion of the particle itself? Naturally, the motion of the particle and field would have to be measured against some fixed reference frame.
 
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arul_k said:
… if the particle were stationary and a uniform magnetic field moved past it would the nature of the force experienced by the particle be the same? If yes, would it imply that the interaction of the magnetic field with the particle is responsible for the magnetic field around the charged particle and not the motion of the particle itself?

Hi arul_k! :wink:

I'm not completely understanding the question, but anyway if an originally purely magnetic field B is moved, it becomes a mixture of a magnetic field B' and an electric field E' …

B' has no effect on the particle (because it's stationary), and the entire effect is caused by E'. :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi arul_k! :wink:

I'm not completely understanding the question, but anyway if an originally purely magnetic field B is moved, it becomes a mixture of a magnetic field B' and an electric field E' …

B' has no effect on the particle (because it's stationary), and the entire effect is caused by E'. :smile:


so in other words there would not be any affect due to the uniform magnetic field
 
arul_k said:
so in other words there would not be any affect due to the uniform magnetic field

Yup! No effect due to the new uniform magnetic field. :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
Yup! No effect due to the new uniform magnetic field. :smile:

Okay. Thanks, but I was wondering doesn't the relative motion between the magnetic field and the charged particle play a part in the interaction, after all the charged particle has no way of "knowing" whether it is moving or the uniform magnetic field is moving, so why should there be two different results.
 
arul_k said:
Okay. Thanks, but I was wondering doesn't the relative motion between the magnetic field and the charged particle play a part in the interaction, after all the charged particle has no way of "knowing" whether it is moving or the uniform magnetic field is moving, …

ah, but the charged particle always thinks it's stationary!

so there's no choice to make …

it sees a mixed magnetic and electric field anyway. :wink:

(for example, if you study an electron "orbiting" a nucleus, you can't explain Thomas precession properly unless you measure the electromagnetic field from the point of view of the electron)
… so why should there be two different results.

There aren't … the result is the same, whether we regard the electron as moving or stationary.
 
There aren't … the result is the same, whether we regard the electron as moving or stationary
.

Could you explain this further please. Thanks
 
arul_k said:
Could you explain this further please. Thanks

Sorry, I don't see what there is to explain …

what happens to the charged particle is the same, whichever frame of reference we choose.

Why do you think the results would be different? :confused:
 

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