Bending in structure. Small vehicle frame.

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The discussion revolves around analyzing the bending in a small vehicle frame structure, specifically focusing on beams AD and EF under load. Participants are exploring the structural behavior, including the effects of supports and loading conditions, while considering various methods for analysis.

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  • One participant seeks help in determining the bending in beams AD and EF, questioning whether their approach of treating beam AD as a statically indeterminate beam is correct.
  • Another participant requests dimensions and cross-sectional properties of the structure, clarifying the nature of the joints and supports.
  • A participant provides specific dimensions and material properties for the beams, indicating that they are welded and part of a vehicle project.
  • There is a challenge regarding the moment of inertia (I) value, with one participant suggesting a different value and calculating maximum bending moments and stresses for beams AD and EF.
  • Another participant discusses their approach to calculating the maximum bending moment for beam AD, expressing uncertainty about internal reactions at other joints.
  • A participant suggests using statics to find reactions at supports E and G, and mentions the complexity of obtaining forces in statically indeterminate members, proposing the finite element method as a possible solution.
  • Detailed calculations for reactions at supports E and G are presented, along with internal shear forces and moments at joint C, highlighting the complexity of the analysis beyond this point.

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Participants express differing views on the correct approach to analyze the structure, with some proposing specific methods and calculations while others question or refine those methods. There is no consensus on the best approach or the values used in calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the structure, including the statically indeterminate nature of some members, which may affect the analysis. The discussion includes various assumptions about loading and support conditions that are not fully resolved.

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Individuals interested in structural analysis, particularly in the context of vehicle frame design, may find this discussion relevant. It may also benefit those studying statics and mechanics of materials.

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Hi

I need help for this structure. It is loaded as shown - point E and G is wheels added as free bearings. I need to know the bending in Beam AD and also EF.
I tried isolating beam AD and see it as an statically inderteminant beam to the second degree - but i am not sure this is the right approach ? Can anyone help !

Thanks
 

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What are the dimensions of your structure, and what are the cross-sectional properties (E, A, and I) of each member? Are all joints pinned or welded? The current diagram shows all joints welded. The supports at points E and G are free to roll horizontally and free to rotate, correct? Is this a school assignment?
 
Hey, the dimensions are
AB = 0.6 m
BC = 0.2 m
CD = 0.2 m
AE = 0.45 m

Furthermore (for all members)
E = 200 GPa (steel)
I = 0.04 * 10^6 mm^4 (beam 30x30x3,2 mm)
A = 343.04 mm^2 (approximately)

And the beams are welded. It is for a project where we are construction a vehicle (so E and G are wheels), here is the frame shown in 3 D.
 

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Isn't I = 41 650 mm^4? I assumed it is. The maximum bending moment in beam AD occurs on the left-hand end of member CD and is 62 400 N*mm. Therefore, the maximum stress in beam AD is 22.47 MPa. The maximum bending moment in member EF occurs on the left-hand end of member EF and is 35 956 N*mm. The maximum stress in member EF is 13.43 MPa.
 
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If i take a look at Beam AD as free supported at A and D i get Maximum bending moment to 75 N*m by m.max = (1/8)*w*l but I guess its wrong because I didn't consider internal reactions at B and C - how did you find the momentum curves from A to D - could you tell me your approach ?

Thanks
 

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elsikre: The reactions at supports E and G are statically determinate; therefore, you can use statics to find the reactions at supports E and G. After you obtain those, make a section cut at joint C to determine the moment on the left-hand end of member CD. The other members are statically indeterminate, and therefore their forces are more difficult to obtain. You could use the finite element method, which is too complicated to explain on a forum.
 
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Ve+Vg=600*1+400*0.6 => Ve+Vg=840
E is a hinge so moment at E=0 => so from the balance of moments at E:
0=Me=600*1*0.5+400*0.6*0.3-Vg*1=>
Vg=372 => Ve=468

IIRC you can also cut at C, to find the internal shear force Vc and the moment Mc there:
Vc+372-600*0.2=0 => Vc = 252 downwards
Mc - 372*0.2 + 600*0.2*0.1 = 0 => Mc = 62.4 "clockwise"for the part C and rightwards.

From then on things get more complicated, as it is not statically determinate...
 
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