How Does Bernoulli's Principle Apply to Varying Pipe Diameters and Water Flow?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of Bernoulli's principle to a problem involving a horizontal pipe with varying diameters and the flow of water through it. The original poster presents a scenario with specific pressures and diameters, seeking to understand the relationship between flow speeds and volume flow rate.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to establish a ratio of flow speeds based on the areas of the pipe sections and expresses difficulty in solving for the actual flow speeds due to having two unknowns. They also mention considerations regarding height differences in Bernoulli's equation.
  • Some participants suggest substituting flow speeds with terms involving volume flow rate to reduce the number of unknowns, while also noting the importance of converting gauge pressure to absolute pressure for proper application of Bernoulli's equation.
  • Questions arise about the necessity of converting gauge pressures to absolute pressures and whether it affects the calculations as long as the same reference is used throughout.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on how to approach the problem and clarifying the importance of consistent pressure references. Multiple interpretations of the pressure conversion issue are being explored, indicating a productive exchange of ideas without a clear consensus yet.

Contextual Notes

The problem involves specific constraints such as the use of gauge pressure and the need to apply Bernoulli's equation correctly. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the height reference and its relevance to the problem setup.

Matt Armstrong

Homework Statement



A horizontal length of pipe starts out with an inner diameter (not radius!) of 2.60 cm, but then has a tapered middle part which narrows to a diameter of 1.60 cm. When water flows through the pipe at a certain rate, the gauge pressure is 34 kPa in the first (wider) section and 25 kPa in the second (narrower) section.

(a) What is the ratio of the flow speed in the narrow section to the flow speed in the wider section?
(b) What are the actual water flow speeds in the wider section and in the narrower section? (Hint: you will need to set up and solve Bernoulli’s equation. Bernoulli’s equation determines what flow rate is produced by this particular pair of inlet and outlet pressures.)
(c) What is the volume flow rate through the pipe?[/B]

Homework Equations



r_1 = .013 m, r_2 = .008 m, P_1 = 34000 Pa, P_2 = 25000 Pa

A = pi*r^2

Q=Av

P + .5rho*v^2 = constant

P_1 + .5rho*(v_1)^2 = P_2 + .5rho*(v_2)^2[/B]

The Attempt at a Solution



For a, since the flow rate is Q = v*a, I made a ratio between the velocities and the Areas and got a ratio of 2 (for narrow) to 5 (for wider). Part b is where I have trouble. I know that Bernoulli's principle can be written between any singular point or any two points along the pipe, and I tried to solve for v_1 and v_2 using the second equation, but that wouldn't be possible because there are two unknown variables. I know that in certain applications where a difference in height delta-y can be used in a formula for velocity, but since no height or reference frame is identified, I left those out of my principle equations as well as neglected to use them. I feel like if I can understand part b, then I can do part c on my own. What do I need to do?

Thanks for any information you can provide
 
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Hello,

You just need to substitute v1 and v2 with Q/A1 and Q/A2 respectively. Q (volume/time units) is the same because of the mass balance. So, the unknown variable will be one instead of two.

Beware: the problem gives you the gauge pressure, so you must add atmospheric pressure (101.325 kPa) in order to get absolute pressure and use it in the Bernoulli's equation.
 
DoItForYourself said:
Beware: the problem gives you the gauge pressure, so you must add atmospheric pressure (101.325 kPa) in order to get absolute pressure and use it in the Bernoulli's equation.
Does it matter here, as long as the pressures are all from the same base?
 
haruspex said:
Does it matter here, as long as the pressures are all from the same base?

You are right, it does not matter as long as pressure is added to each side of the equation and we solve for Q (ΔP remains the same).

But if we wanted to solve for P1 or P2, the result would have been wrong (in terms of units).
 

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