Best angle to shoot a projectile

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves determining the optimal angle for firing a projectile over a hill to reach a target at the same elevation. The scenario includes specific parameters such as the height of the hill and the distance to the target.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the projectile's trajectory and the hill's height, with one participant attempting to use trigonometric relationships to find the angle. Questions arise about the nature of the projectile's motion and whether it can be simplified using straight-line assumptions.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the projectile's motion, suggesting that it does not follow a straight line, which has led to further questioning of the initial approach. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in the problem, and some guidance has been offered regarding the projectile's trajectory.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of the problem as posed, including the requirement to find the angle in terms of given variables and the acknowledgment of gravitational effects. There is also mention of specific values for height and distance to facilitate discussion.

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Homework Statement


A projectile is fired with speed v_0 (velocity subscript zero) at an angle θ from the horizontal as shown in the figure
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Consider your advice to an artillery officer who has the following problem. From his current position, he must shoot over a hill of height H at a target on the other side, which has the same elevation as his gun. He knows from his accurate map both the bearing and the distance R to the target and also that the hill is halfway to the target. To shoot as accurately as possible, he wants the projectile to just barely pass above the hill.

Find the angle θ above the horizontal at which the projectile should be fired.
Express your answer in terms of H and R.

Homework Equations


v_0x = v_0 * cosθ
v_0y = v_0 * sinθ
tanθ = (sinθ)/(cosθ)

3. My attempt at a solution
According to the description, the hill is "halfway to the target". Thus, the highest point is at R/2.
I can then make a triangle with H as the opposite side and (R/2) as the adjacent side. Using trig, I get tanθ = opp/adj = H/(R/2) = 2H/R.

My final answer is thus θ = arctan(2H/R).

The answer above is incorrect and I already know what the correct answer is. What I don't understand is what's wrong with the above method? Solving it is much simpler and makes perfect sense to me. Thank you all very much.
 
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Is the projectile going to travel in a straight line up to the top of the hill and then instantly turn and do the same down to the target?
 
How about running an example problem using given values for H,R and g (local gravitational acceleration)
H = 10 meters
R = 100 meters
g = 9.81 (m/s)/s

Find launch angle A

Ive attached a personal crib sheet that may help, note that the horizontal velocity vector (vh) is constant (key fact)
 

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@Orodruin I understand now. The projectile does not move in a straight line, so trigonometry can't be used. Thanks everyone for helping.
 
what's the real answer and how do you find it?
 

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