Best efficiency to convert Kinetic into Electric

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The discussion revolves around the efficiency of converting kinetic energy into electrical energy, specifically seeking methods that achieve efficiencies higher than 75% without relying on heat or potential energy sources. Participants explore various mechanisms and clarify the scope of the inquiry.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the possibility of achieving over 75% efficiency in converting kinetic energy to electrical energy without using heat or potential energy sources.
  • Another participant asserts that modern electric generators can exceed 75% efficiency, with some approaching 95% efficiency.
  • It is suggested that in principle, electric generators could approach 100% efficiency, with losses attributed to resistance, friction, and electromagnetic radiation.
  • Some participants clarify that while cogeneration and hydroelectric plants can achieve high efficiencies, they do not fit the criteria of the original question since they rely on thermal or potential energy.
  • There is a distinction made between the efficiency of the energy conversion device (electric generator) and the overall efficiency of energy production systems.
  • One participant seeks clarification on whether the inquiry is about the best method to generate electricity from a rotating shaft or the best way to make a shaft rotate.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the clarity of the original question and the specific parameters of the inquiry. There is no consensus on the best method for achieving high efficiency in kinetic to electrical energy conversion without additional energy sources.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of defining the context of kinetic energy utilization, particularly regarding the source of kinetic energy and the mechanisms of conversion. The discussion remains open-ended with various interpretations of the original question.

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I am seeking help with the theory of energy conversion from kinetic energy to electric energy. Is it possible to convert kinetic energy to electric energy at an efficiency higher than 75% If so, how?

Specifically, I mean not using heat (cogeneration power plants) or potential energy (hydroelectric plants). But just turning motion into electricity (faraday effect, brakes on a Prius, etc.).

Can someone point to a source that gives a percentage conversion higher than 75%?
 
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Sure, most modern electric generators are well over 75% efficient. They are up to 95% efficient.
 
russ_watters said:
Sure, most modern electric generators are well over 75% efficient. They are up to 95% efficient.

Indeed an electric generator can in principle approach 100% efficiency. The sources of loss are all "correctable". Resistance in the conductors, friction in the moving parts, and electromagnetic radiation.
 
Yes, cogeneration and hydroelectric power plants are easily over 90%. But the cogeneration requires the input of thermal energy and the hydro requires the exploitation of potential energy. What I'm asking about is the conversion of kinetic energy without the aid of thermal, chemical, or potential energies. Wind would be one example, but I am not limiting the question to a particular field (such as large scale energy production).
 
Bacat said:
Yes, cogeneration and hydroelectric power plants are easily over 90%.
Neither cogen nor hydroelectric plants are above 90%. No power plant is. But you didn't ask about power plants, you only asked about the device that converts the mechanical energy to electrical energy. The efficiency of the rest of the plant is irrelevant to that question.
But the cogeneration requires the input of thermal energy and the hydro requires the exploitation of potential energy. What I'm asking about is the conversion of kinetic energy without the aid of thermal, chemical, or potential energies. Wind would be one example, but I am not limiting the question to a particular field (such as large scale energy production).
The way you asked the question, you assume we have some kinetic energy to utilize. That means a spinning shaft somewhere that can be attached to a device to generate power. And that means attaching an electric generator. How that shaft got to be spinning in the first place (whether connected to a hydro turbine, a steam turbine, a diesel engine, etc.) and the efficiency of the creation of that mechanical energy doesn't appear to enter into the question anywhere.

So perhaps you could rephrase what you are asking...
 
Sure, Russ. Thanks for the clarification on what the problem is.

I am seeking theory or experimental data that could reasonably be called the most efficient way to convert kinetic energy into electrical energy that does not include the following:

1) Adding heat to the system in the form of fuels (combustion disallowed, solar allowed, geothermal allowed)
2) Exploiting gravitational potential energy of natural features (hydropower disallowed, wind, waves, tides allowed)

Does this make it more clear? Or have I still missed something?
 
No, it doesn't make it any more clear. If you have some kinetic energy to use (a rotating shaft) - and you are only asking about how to get that rotating shaft to make electricity, then the answer is still just an electric generator.

So are you asking:

1. What is the best way to get electricity from a rotating shaft?
or:
2. What is the best way to make a shaft rotate?

Question #1 (the one you appeared to ask) really only has one answer. Question #2 is very complicated.
 
Thanks for your time, Russ.
 

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