Best upper division undergrad physics books for self-study?

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The discussion revolves around recommendations for upper division undergraduate physics books suitable for self-study. Participants share their experiences and suggest various texts across different areas of physics, including classical mechanics, electromagnetism, quantum mechanics, and relativity.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant is currently studying Mary L Boas' "Mathematical Methods for the Physical Sciences" to prepare for physics books and seeks recommendations for self-study texts that include good examples and exercises.
  • Another participant recommends Hills' "Statistical Thermodynamics," noting the need for a background in vector calculus, probability, and modern physics, but mentions the lack of a solution manual.
  • Some participants affirm that Taylor's book on classical mechanics and Griffith's "Introduction to Electromagnetism" are strong choices for beginners, with Taylor's book being particularly noted for its clarity in Lagrangian and Hamiltonian mechanics.
  • There are suggestions for further reading after classical mechanics and electromagnetism, including special relativity (Rindler's book) and quantum mechanics (Zettili's book), with some participants expressing strong preferences for specific texts.
  • One participant mentions Wald's book on general relativity as advanced and better suited as a reference after foundational knowledge, suggesting Carroll's book as a more accessible alternative.
  • Another participant highlights the importance of understanding the material in Purcell's "Electricity and Magnetism" before moving to upper-division texts.
  • Schroeder's "Thermal Physics" is also recommended as a valuable resource.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the quality of Taylor's and Griffith's books for classical mechanics and electromagnetism. However, there is disagreement regarding the suitability of Wald's book for undergraduates, with some advocating for its use only after foundational concepts are learned, while others suggest alternative texts for general relativity.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the assumption of prior knowledge in multivariable calculus and linear algebra in many recommended texts. There is also mention of the lack of solution manuals for certain books, which may impact self-study.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for undergraduate students seeking self-study resources in physics, particularly those interested in classical mechanics, electromagnetism, quantum mechanics, and relativity.

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I'm currently working on Mary L Boas "Mathematical methods for the physical sciences", which I've been told cover almost all of the mathematics needed to follow undergrad physics books.

I'm about halfway done, and I'd like to start looking for physics books. The only reason why I started working on Mary L Boas' book was to eventually be able to work through physics books.

I'm looking for books that would be the most complete for a self-learner without a teacher/class. The book should respect the following criterias: Have good example, have good exercises, explains the material in an intuitive way. It would also be nice to have books with easily found solution manuals, or at least some solutions found in the book.

I plan to start with a classical mechanics books, then move on to E&M. Currently, my two choices are:

Classical Mechanics by Taylor
Griffith's introduction to electromagnetism.

Are these good choices? I was also wondering what the next logical step would be after these 2 books. I think a book on quantum mechanics would be the best choice. Would it be best to work through another "course" first? If so, which one(s)?
 
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I would recommend Hills Statistical Thermodynamics. You will need a background in vector calculus, probability, and modern physics. It is a great book I have used for a self taught course; the subject is absolutely fasinating. Its a dover book though, which means no solution manual.
 
most books I've encountered provide a mathematical pre-face to get you up to speed on what's contained in the book. They usually assume that you have already taken multivariable calculus and linear algebra. But other than that they will teach you what you need. Taylor's book is a very good intro to Lagrangian\Hamiltonian mechanics, i found it very followable and an easy read. Griffith's electrodynamics is also a good book for beginning. The next step would be a book on special relativity (rindler's is good) and then QM (zettili's is probably the best out there). Once you finish those 2 you can chose to do statistical thermodynamics(I personally skipped it) or move on to General Relativity (Schutz or RWT - RWT is pretty expensive and it's over 1200 pages, though it's the most complete out there). Finally afterward you would move into quantum field theory and Wald's book on GR(wald is probably the toughest and most modern GR book, so it's best saved for last). and finally a book on cosmology or quantum gravitation\string theory
 
For special relativity, the best book at this level is Spacetime Physics by Taylor and Wheeler. For general relativity, Hartle's Gravity is considered to be a trailblazer in bringing the subject to the upper-division level with innovative pedagogy, but my own book has the advantage over Hartle of being free: http://www.lightandmatter.com/genrel/ Purcell's Electricity and Magnetism is supposed to be a lower-division book, but if you understand everything in it, you won't learn anything from an upper-division book; there is a new edition coming out soon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1107014026/?tag=pfamazon01-20 A standard upper-division mechanics book is Goldstein; don't know about its pros and cons relative to Taylor.
 
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Wald's book on GR(wald is probably the toughest and most modern GR book, so it's best saved for last)

Wald is a graduate-level text. The OP asked for undergrad books. I would not even recommend Wald as a first book on GR for grad students. It's very crisp and well presented, but IMO it works best as a reference, after you learn the basic physical ideas somewhere else. Wald is also out of date and lacks contact with experiment. Carroll is a good substitute for Wald. It's modern, and there is a version that is free online: http://ned.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/March01/Carroll3/Carroll_contents.html Another GR book that is very worthwhile, although limited in scope, is Taylor and Wheeler, Exploring Black Holes.
 
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bcrowell;4022015there is a new edition coming out soon: [URL said:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1107014026/?tag=pfamazon01-20[/URL]

I wish they would release it already! I hope they add solutions for some of the less calculation oriented problems (especially the ones in the chapter on fields of moving charges).
 
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Griffiths, E&M and Taylor mechanics are two great choices.

I've become a full believer in Zetilli Quantum Mechanics so I completely recommend that. I think it's much better than Shankar or Griffiths.

Schroeder Thermal Physics is very good too.
 

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