B How Does Modern Particle Accelerator Energy Density Compare to the Big Bang?

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The discussion centers on the comparison of energy density in modern particle accelerators to that of the early universe post-Big Bang. It highlights that while energy density and temperature are related, they are not the same; energy density refers to the number of particles per volume, while temperature indicates energy per particle. The conversation references a phase diagram that illustrates the conditions of the early universe and experimental results. Proton-proton collisions can achieve higher energy levels but do not reach thermal equilibrium, complicating the definitions of temperature and density. Ultimately, the distinction between energy per particle and energy density is clarified, emphasizing their different roles in physics.
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How close to the Big Bang can modern particle accelerators get?
How many nanoseconds after the Big Bang was its energy density that achievable in modern particle accelerators?
 
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In the range of many nanoseconds, but without a specific number - if you match the density you don't match the temperature and vice versa, and every collision is different.
 
Thanks. I had however imagined that temperature and energy density were the same thing. What is the difference?
 
Roughly: Temperature is the energy per particle, density is how many particles you have per volume. [Here is a sketch of a phase diagram](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Phases_of_Nuclear_Matter.JPG).

More detailed discussion - figure 11 has the profile for the early universe and dots corresponding to experiments. The x-axis is the "chemical" potential of baryons instead of density, but they are related quantities.

Proton-proton collisions can reproduce processes at higher energy but they don't reach thermal equilibrium so temperature and density become a bit ill-defined, but they can study what happens at higher temperatures.
 
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Thanks. From fig.11 I see that temperature is given in baryon-Mev, which is a unit of energy, rather than degrees C. So they are different ways of expressing the same thing?
 
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From fig.11 I see that temperature is given in baryon-Mev, which is a unit of energy, rather than degrees C. So they are different ways of expressing the same thing?

No. Energy per particle and energy density are not the same thing. Baryon-Mev is a unit of energy per particle; it's just Boltzmann's constant times degrees C (or more precisely degrees K). Expressing temperature in units of energy per particle instead of degrees is common in physics.
 
Thanks. I thing energy-per-particle/temperature was what I was really after.
 
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