Proving the Equivalence of Two Formulas with e as Small

In summary, the given formulas for m1 and m2, when simplified using the assumption that e is small, both result in a value of -1 with some higher order terms represented by O(e) or O(1). The breakdown of the equations shows that these higher order terms can be neglected due to the small value of e, leading to the simplified equations of m1 = -1+ O(e) and m2 = -1+ O(1). However, there is some confusion regarding the random removal of O(e^2) in some places and not others in the equations.
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Homework Statement



Taking e to be small, we have been given these two formulas to prove

m1 = [tex]\frac{-1+\sqrt{1-4e}}{2e}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{-1+(1-2e+O(e^2))}{2e}[/tex] = -1+ O(e)

m2= [tex]\frac{-1-\sqrt{1-4e}}{2e}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{-1-(1-2e+O(e^2))}{2e}[/tex] = -1+ O(1)

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The Attempt at a Solution




Firstly, the second stage in each of these? I am assuming what they have done is say that
(1 - 4e) = (1 - 2e + O(e2))2
If you do this manually you get
(1 - 2e - O(e2) - 2e + 4e2 + O(e3) + O(e2) - O(e3) + O(e4))
Is this right - I am assuming O(e^2) means "some term of the order e^2

This simplifies to
(1 - 4e + O(e2) + O(e3) + O(e4)
And as e is little the O(e2) can be neglected...however if this is the case then when both including O(e2) at all??

Secondly (sorry)
breaking down the first equation is ok:
= -1/2e +1/2e - 2e/2e + O(e2)/2e
= -1 + O(e)

however breaking down the second equation
= -1/2e -1/2e +2e/2e - O(e2)/2e
= -1/e + 1 - O(e)

Our tutor said that 1 - O(e) is the same as O(1) becuase O(e) is small; but if this is so, why doesn't the first equation become -1?
 
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have had another go at this, and still cannot work out the first bit - the random removal of O(e^2) in some places and not others :-(
 

FAQ: Proving the Equivalence of Two Formulas with e as Small

1. What is the significance of using e as a small value in proving the equivalence of two formulas?

The value of e, also known as Euler's number, is a fundamental constant in mathematics and plays a crucial role in many mathematical concepts such as calculus and complex numbers. Using e as a small value in proving the equivalence of two formulas allows us to analyze the behavior of the formulas at infinitesimally small values, providing a more accurate and precise understanding of their equivalence.

2. How can we prove the equivalence of two formulas with e as a small value?

To prove the equivalence of two formulas with e as a small value, we can use the limit definition of equivalence. This involves taking the limit of the difference between the two formulas as e approaches 0. If the limit is equal to 0, then the two formulas are considered equivalent for all values of e.

3. Can we use any other small value besides e to prove equivalence?

Yes, we can use any small value besides e to prove equivalence. However, e is often the preferred choice due to its significance in mathematics and its ability to accurately represent infinitesimal values. Other common choices for small values include δ (delta) and ε (epsilon).

4. Are there any limitations to using e as a small value in proving equivalence?

One limitation of using e as a small value is that it may not accurately represent the behavior of the formulas at larger values. In some cases, using a different small value may provide a more accurate understanding of the equivalence of the formulas. Additionally, the use of e may not be applicable to all types of formulas.

5. Why is proving the equivalence of two formulas with e as a small value important?

Proving the equivalence of two formulas with e as a small value is important because it allows us to confidently use one formula in place of the other without affecting the accuracy of our calculations. This can save time and effort in solving complex mathematical problems and allows us to make more precise approximations in real-world applications.

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