Block and disk on double inclined plane

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The problem involves a block and a disk on a double inclined plane, connected by a massless string over a massless pulley. The goal is to find the maximum ratio of the masses of the block and disk such that the disk rolls without slipping. The scenario includes parameters such as the moment of inertia of the disk, coefficients of static and kinetic friction, and the angle of inclination.

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  • Participants discuss the application of torque and tension in the context of the problem, with one participant attempting to derive the maximum mass ratio using equations of motion and friction. Questions arise regarding the correctness of the coefficients of friction and the interpretation of forces acting on the disk and block.

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Some participants express confidence in the original poster's calculations, while others raise concerns about potential typos and the physical validity of the friction coefficients. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of these coefficients on the problem setup.

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Participants note the coefficients of static and kinetic friction, questioning whether they were quoted correctly, as it is stated that the kinetic friction coefficient cannot exceed the static friction coefficient.

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Homework Statement



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A block of mass mb and a disk of mass md and radius r are placed on a symmetric triangular slope connected with a massless string over a massless pulley as shown above. The string is connected to a center axle of the disk so that the disk is free to rotate. The moment of inertia of the disk about its axle is I=1/2*m_d*r^2. The coefficient of static friction between the slope and the block/disk is 0.05 and the coefficient of kinetic friction between the slope and the block/disk is 0.15. The angle θ is 30∘.

Reminder: sin(30∘)=cos(60∘)=12 and cos(30∘)=sin(60∘)=3√2

Find the maximum ratio m_b/m_d such that the disk still rolls without slipping up the hill.

Homework Equations


Just to be clear I'm using:
t = torque and
T = tension

t_net = I*alpha
F_net = m*a

The Attempt at a Solution


Since its the maximum ratio m_b/m_d, the static friction must be at its max: mu_s*m*g*cos(theta) so

t_net = r*mu_s*m_d*g*cos(theta) = I*alpha = 1/2*m_d*r^2*a/r = 1/2*m_d*r*a

This simplifies to:

2*mu_s*g*cos(theta) = a

Then for the disk the addition of N+F_g = m_d*g*sin(theta) and:

F_net = T - m_d*g*cos(theta)*mu_s - m_d*g*sin(theta) = m_d*a
T = m_d*g*cos(theta)*mu_s + m_d*g*sin(theta) + m_d*a

and for the block (I'm not sure if I've messed up the signs here, I guessed that the positive axis should point towards the acceleration):

F_net = m_b*g*sin(theta) - T - m_b*g*cos(theta)*mu_k = m_b*a
T = m_b*g*sin(theta) - m_b*g*cos(theta)*mu_k - m_b*a

m_d*g*cos(theta)*mu_s + m_d*g*sin(theta) + m_d*a = m_b*g*sin(theta) - m_b*g*cos(theta)*mu_k - m_b*a

then I plugged in 2*mu_s*g*cos(theta) = a and simplified:

m_d(mu_s + tan(theta) + 2*mu_s) = m_b(tan(theta) - mu_k - 2*mu_s)

and finally:

m_b/m_d = (mu_s + tan(theta) + 2*mu_s)/(tan(theta) - mu_k - 2*mu_s) = 2.22193

But I just realized I forgot a mu_s in my original solution so is this correct?
 
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Overall, your work looks correct and I think your final answer is correct. I noticed a couple of trivial typos:
Reminder: sin(30∘)=cos(60∘)=12 and cos(30∘)=sin(60∘)=3√2
Also, I don't follow your statement:
Then for the disk the addition of N+F_g = m_d*g*sin(theta)
But I don't think you used this.
 
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TSny said:
Overall, your work looks correct and I think your final answer is correct. I noticed a couple of trivial typos:

Also, I don't follow your statement: But I don't think you used this.
Yes it was correct, thank you.
 
It is physically impossible for the kinetic friction coefficient to exceed the static friction coefficient. Did you quote them correctly?
 
haruspex said:
It is physically impossible for the kinetic friction coefficient to exceed the static friction coefficient. Did you quote them correctly?
Yes, I copied and pasted it... that's strange
 

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