Block falling on spring/max compression

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The discussion focuses on a physics problem involving a 700 g block released from height h0 above a vertical spring with a spring constant of 445 N/m. The block compresses the spring by 20.5 cm, leading to calculations of work done by both the block and the spring, as well as determining the initial height h0. The correct work done by the block is 9.35 J, while the work done by the spring is -9.35 J, and h0 is calculated to be 1.158 m. The discussion highlights the importance of correctly accounting for potential energy changes when analyzing the system.

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Homework Statement



A 700 g block is released from rest at height h0 above a vertical spring with spring constant k = 445 N/m and negligible mass. The block sticks to the spring and momentarily stops after compressing the spring 20.5 cm.

(a) How much work is done by the block on the spring?


(b) How much work is done by the spring on the block?

(c) What is the value of h0?

(d) If the block were released from height 2.00h0 above the spring, what would be the

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The Attempt at a Solution



I got parts a, b, and c right, and have tried a few different things with d and have gotten it wrong.

For a and b, I got 9.35 (b was -9.35), and for c, I got 1.158 m. I went back to my equation for the spring, where [tex]mgh = .5kx^2[/tex], and solved for x but keep getting the wrong answer. I used my answer in c as the new height in mgh, is there something wrong with doing that? I ended up getting the equation...

[tex]x^2= 2mgh/k[/tex]

Obviously I then just took the square root of that.
 
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I have some things in mind:

yes your final equation is wrong. The 2ho is above the spring but the spring is compressed by an amount x. This amount also contributes as Potential energy ( its under the point of zero of Potential Gravitational Energy).
 
look at your energy changes. You have an initial Gravitational Potential Energy, That energy is then transformed into kinetic energy.. But not completely. At the exact point before the object hits the spring the object has both potential and kinetic energy. And that total energy is converted into Elastic Potential Energy. Because energy is constant, you can say Gravitational Potential Energy before = Elastic Potential Energy After, but is your point of reference where your saying that your Grav. Potential Energy at the top of the spring? or the bottom of the spring? The point where Ep is zero isn't the ground because the spring could be on an airplane or x amount of height above the ground.
 

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