Book for Coaxial cable problem in Physics GRE

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The discussion centers around the topic of coaxial cable impedance as it relates to the Physics GRE, specifically addressing whether this subject is covered in undergraduate physics courses, the relevant textbooks, and the nature of the problem itself.

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  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that any electromagnetism course should cover the topic of coaxial cable impedance.
  • One participant notes that they could not find specific references in Griffiths' book regarding characteristic impedance.
  • Another participant mentions that coaxial cables are examples of transmission lines, discussing wave impedance and impedance matching, and recommends several textbooks, including "Electromagnetic Vibrations, Waves, and Radiation" by Bekefi and Barrett, and "The Physics of Vibrations and Waves" by Pain.
  • One participant expresses that the GRE question may be more aligned with electrical engineering topics rather than traditional electromagnetism, noting that even advanced texts like Jackson do not cover this material.
  • A suggestion is made to read relevant chapters in Cheng's book on engineering electromagnetics, as it was covered in a second electromagnetism course and related labs.
  • Another participant highlights the importance of impedance matching in physics experiments involving RF electronics, questioning the exclusion of such topics from standard physics curricula.
  • Links to online resources are shared, including a course book that appears to cover transmission lines effectively.

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Participants express differing views on whether coaxial cable impedance is adequately covered in standard physics courses, with some asserting it is not, while others believe it should be included. There is no consensus on the best resources for studying this topic.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the coverage of transmission lines and impedance matching may depend on the specific curriculum and the assumptions made in upper division courses. There are references to various textbooks, but no definitive agreement on which is most suitable for this topic.

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Book for Coaxial cable impedance problem in Physics GRE

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This is GR9277, Problem 18.
Is this covered in any physics undergraduate course?
What subject is this problem belong to?
What book do you recommend for studying this?

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Any electromagnetism course should cover this.
 
Can you give a specific reference? I searched Griffiths' book but didn't find characteristic impedance thing.
 
a coaxial cable is an example of a transmission line. But more generally, the question is about wave impedance and impedance matching. I first learned about this topic in 3rd semester physics; the texts were "electromagnetic vibrations, waves, and radiation" by Bekefi and Barrett, and "the physics of vibrations and waves" by Pain. Bekefi is an excellent intro to electrodynamics and is by far the better of those books in just about every possible way. Higher level treatments are of course available - I am an electrical engineer and can say that almost all upper division "engineering electromagnetics" type of books cover this stuff in gory detail. It is useful so it is nice to see the GRE asking folks to connect EM to the practical world.

My guess is that a basic discussion is all that you need. Try googling "transmission line impedance match" and you will find lots of links. If you have access to a university library you should find many books that cover this. You likely don't need to acquire a book just for this topic.

A free book that covers way more than you might want (and so much that it may not be an efficient use of your time at this point) is at:
http://www.ece.rutgers.edu/~orfanidi/ewa/

jason
 
rar0308 said:
Can you give a specific reference? I searched Griffiths' book but didn't find characteristic impedance thing.

Given that Griffiths devotes only 6 pages to waveguides (!), I suppose this question is meant by the GRE people to be more of a 'special topics' featuring EE rather than an E&M question.

(Upon closer examination, even Jackson doesn't cover this! I suppose I was lucky to get this in my course based on Heald and Marion's book)
 
Read the relevant chapter(s) in Cheng's book (fundamentals of engineering EM or something to that avail). I covered this stuff in my 2nd EM course and in one of my labs.
 
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Nabeshin said:
Given that Griffiths devotes only 6 pages to waveguides (!), I suppose this question is meant by the GRE people to be more of a 'special topics' featuring EE rather than an E&M question.

(Upon closer examination, even Jackson doesn't cover this! I suppose I was lucky to get this in my course based on Heald and Marion's book)

I think it is too bad that it might be considered outside the scope of physics; I would think quite a few pure physics experiments require RF electronics that need to be impedance matched in order to provide usable experimental results. Or perhaps it is just that many of the upper division books/courses were developed with the assumption that students take an intro level course on waves that includes the topic of transmission lines and impedance matching. I just know that I had to take such an intro course along side the pure physics majors, but have no idea how common that is these days.

I just found an online book from such a course that may suit the OP just perfect:

http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/315/Waveshtml/index.html

The sections on transmission lines look good at a first glance.

jason

EDIT: just looked - 3rd edition of Marion and Heald is now in Dover. The TOC and index indicate that the third edition does discuss transmission lines, waveguides, and impedance matching
 
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