Were ancient civilizations using pyramids as a form of GPS technology?

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The discussion centers on the discovery of a 720 ft high step pyramid in Visoko, Bosnia-Herzegovina, and the possibility that it may represent an ancient form of GPS technology. Researchers have identified two smaller pyramids connected by tunnels to the larger one, suggesting a strategic global layout of such structures. There is skepticism regarding the authenticity of the pyramids, with critics questioning the evidence and the claims made by Semir Osmanagic, who proposes that the site could be over 12,000 years old. Ongoing archaeological excavations are set to further investigate these claims, with international teams involved. The potential implications of this discovery could significantly alter historical narratives and boost local tourism.
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Confirmed evidence of a 720 ft high step pyramid in VISOKO, Bosnia-Herzegovina. The photos don't exactly prove very much so we're going by what we're told.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060419/ap_on_sc/bosnia_pyramid

There are also 2 smaller suspected pyramids associated and connected by tunnel to the larger of the three in Bosnia.

Pyramids and associated structures appear to have been built stratigically throughout the world... is this an ancent form of a Global Positioning System or what!:eek:?

Is the technology used to build these pyramids from one source-civilization or has the technology been arrived at independently by separate, isolated civilizations?
 
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Here's a closer look at one of the pieces on the pyramid.

http://www.bosnianpyramids.org/photos/photo_13.20.jpg

There is a shot from a distance on this link of the hill formed by the pyramid.

http://www.bosnianpyramids.org/index.php?id=13&lang=en

Here's what they think the layout looks like at the valley site.

http://www.bosnianpyramids.org/photos/photo_8.10.jpg

There is a project under way that started April 14th, 2006 that is promising to be the largest archaeological excavation in Europe this year. Here is the index page for all of the above links. Totally exciting I must say.

http://www.bosnianpyramids.org/

Damn good for tourism.

Additional Evidence that the Mounds Visocica and Pljesevica, near Visoko in Bosnia and Herzegovina, Represent Ancient Colossal Stone Structures

http://www.bosnianpyramids.org/photos/photo_4.7.jpg

Two researchers using ultra-modern satellite imaging believe they have confirmed a discovery of huge, ancient buildings, which may be the first European pyramids, buried in a rugged, mountainous area, near the town of Visoko in Bosnia and Herzegovina.

http://www.bosnianpyramids.org/index.php?id=4&lang=en
 
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I don't know if its the modified english or the obscure nature of the photographs describing this "archaeological" find in Bosnia but... I'm not convinced the thing is real or unreal... yet.

I sort of want a large team of international archaeologists to report on this one. It would be nice to fly over there and see it for one's self. If either of these scenarios comes true I'll post the results here. Thank you for your expressed and unexpressed interest in this, thus far, unorthidox affair.
 
quantumcarl said:
I'm not convinced the thing is real or unreal.

I held off posting here for that reason. It's quite a story—pyramid-shaped hills, smooth rocks on the face, tunnels, etc. On the other hand, I'm uneasy about Osmanagic's grand conclusions based on superficial evidence. In all the pictures on the Net, I haven't seen any "geometrically cut" rocks. He gives the age of the "pyramid" as old as 12,000 years, but nowhere does it say what he bases that on. (One site quoted him as saying it might be only 3,000 years old, but everywhere else I see him giving the 10,000-12,000 year figure.) The tunnel I've seen in the pictures looks remarkably well-preserved. Don't tunnels deteriorate and cave in after a while? I also found out that there is a petition circulating calling for a stop to Osmanagic and his "sham".

If the pyramid is genuine, that will be proven. Until then, he would do us all a favour by zipping his lips.

(I thought that the "pyramids" might possibly be some sort of glacial moraine, but I haven't been able to find anything that would suggest that.)
 
Tojen said:
I held off posting here for that reason. It's quite a story—pyramid-shaped hills, smooth rocks on the face, tunnels, etc. On the other hand, I'm uneasy about Osmanagic's grand conclusions based on superficial evidence. In all the pictures on the Net, I haven't seen any "geometrically cut" rocks. He gives the age of the "pyramid" as old as 12,000 years, but nowhere does it say what he bases that on. (One site quoted him as saying it might be only 3,000 years old, but everywhere else I see him giving the 10,000-12,000 year figure.) The tunnel I've seen in the pictures looks remarkably well-preserved. Don't tunnels deteriorate and cave in after a while? I also found out that there is a petition circulating calling for a stop to Osmanagic and his "sham".

If the pyramid is genuine, that will be proven. Until then, he would do us all a favour by zipping his lips.

(I thought that the "pyramids" might possibly be some sort of glacial moraine, but I haven't been able to find anything that would suggest that.)

Its a bit much. But, if he truly believes what he's saying he's basically promoting his idea and advertising for investment of resource. Over and over again like a Tide commercial.

Conclusively no one can confirm that the Sphynx or any other proported megalithic structure is for real until they go and climb on the thing and breath its dust etc...

The cool thing about capitalism and the democratic management of capitalism is that you and I are pretty well assured of a crack at taking-off and gaining a first hand experience of these reported wonders of the world. Yippee!
 
Yeah, I suppose that was a bit strong. I'm sure he believes it strongly, but he might be letting that influence his conclusions. I'm not saying it is, it just has that air about it. Generating interest to raise funds is one thing, but he seems to be going over the top. Whatever the case, my conclusion of him is based on just as superficial evidence, so I'm as guilty. I hope he's right, but I'm not holding my breath.

quantumcarl said:
The cool thing about capitalism and the democratic management of capitalism is that you and I are pretty well assured of a crack at taking-off and gaining a first hand experience of these reported wonders of the world. Yippee!

I'll pass it by my wife. :rolleyes:
 
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Medieval fortress

According to anthropologists there is evidence of 7,000-year-old human settlements in the valley.

German archaeologists also recently found 24,000 Neolithic artefacts one metre below ground.

Mr Osmanagic says the hill is a classic example of cultures building on the top of other cultures.

The town was Bosnia's capital during the Middle Ages, and a medieval fortress used by Bosnian kings sits atop Visocica.

The fortress was built over an old Roman Empire observation post, which in turn was constructed over the ruins of an ancient settlement.

Here there's some mention of German archaeologists and some "Anthropologists" on this Balkin Update site from April 23. So the investigation has an 'international' flavour to it.

We can mention German Archaeologists but don't mention zee war... if we can believe there are WMDs in Babylon, then I suppose we can believe there are German Archaeologists studying the areas surrounding the small town of Visocica.
 
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Update

Australian archaeologist Royce Richards is among a team preparing to look for the truth behind a theory that Bosnia-Herzegovina has an ancient pyramid.

Archaeologists from Australia, Scotland, Ireland, Austria, and Slovenia will begin excavation work in April on the Visocica hill, 32 kilometres north-west of Sarajevo.

The hill is quite symmetrical, and the theory that it was once a pyramid is supported by preliminary investigations. If true, it would rewrite world history, putting Europe alongside South America and of course Egypt as homes of ancient pyramids.

Bosnian Semir Osmanagic put forward his theory last year that a 100 metre geometrically-shaped hill with evenly shaped sides and corners that point north, south, east and west is an ancient man-made edifice.

READ:http://www.theage.com.au/news/World...-pyramid-riddle/2006/01/20/1137553735882.html

Looks like its going international. Hot Diggity Dawg:-p
 
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Well, i have been to Visoko and i have been at the site. There is no reason for me to believe that there is nothing under that hill. If you look at the pictures...the stones which could have not been shaped by nature is so far the best proof of the existence of the "pyramid". Maybe it is not...baybe it is just the ruins of some old ancient city nobody new about.
Either way, it is a fantastic dicovery. I am just surprised by some million negative comments all over the internet about Mr. Osmanagic and his work. Jelousy? Many are afraid and worried because the "History" will have to be written again. Mr. Osmanagic has been attacked by many but, he is proving his work as the excavation continues! The "experts" are calling Mr. Osmanagic an "amateur" but somehow the pyramid was sitting right under the experts' noses and it did not catch their eye Bosnia is the center of all ancient civilzations and that is the "main" problem.

I am posting a few pics and there are many more...!

img_18_mn.jpg

photo_18.41.jpg

photo_18.40.jpg
 
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Aca said:
Well, i have been to Visoko and i have been at the site. There is no reason for me to believe that there is nothing under that hill. If you look at the pictures...the stones which could have not been shaped by nature is so far the best proof of the existence of the "pyramid". Maybe it is not...baybe it is just the ruins of some old ancient city nobody new about.
Either way, it is a fantastic dicovery. I am just surprised by some million negative comments all over the internet about Mr. Osmanagic and his work. Jelousy? Many are afraid and worried because the "History" will have to be written again. Mr. Osmanagic has been attacked by many but, he is proving his work as the excavation continues! The "experts" are calling Mr. Osmanagic an "amateur" but somehow the pyramid was sitting right under the experts' noses and it did not catch their eye Bosnia is the center of all ancient civilzations and that is the "main" problem.

I am posting a few pics and there are many more...!

img_18_mn.jpg

photo_18.41.jpg

photo_18.40.jpg

Thank you Aca! The whole thing is coming together nicely! These photos are new to me and show a great amount of weathering on the stones. There appear to be parallel faces on adjacent rocks. I don't know why they still have so much debris on them. It is probably because the excavators do not want to scrape any possible cultural surface evidence off with the compacted dirt on the stones.

My expertise does not include megalithic-archaeology so I'm just guessing with regard to the methods of uncovering this sort of find.

Its a "rocking" site (!) with ego shattering implications. I'd be surprised if there wasn't "suddenly" another "war" in the area just to "blow it up real good" and get rid of this pre-historic anomaly and let the "experts" continue in what often appears as their fantasy about how the past took place.

All in all, I hope this find turns out to be exactly what Mr. Osmanagic proposes it is. Visoko would become the new Cairo in terms of tourism, cultural exchange and great restaurants... etc... without the camels.
 
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Aca, I appreciate and envy your first hand experience. I'm just going by what I find on the Internet and so far I haven't found why Osmanagic gives a possible age of 12,000 years old. That's a pretty rash thing to say since that puts it pretty much in the last ice age, so it would be nice to hear why he thinks that.

Carl, I'm guessing that isn't debris on the rocks, but part of their makeup. It looks much like the tunnel entrance http://www.bosnianpyramid.com/images/tunnel_orig.jpg" . If that's the native rock, it looks like a hardened conglomerate of coarse gravel and sand or somesuch.

There's a good slide show of various angles of the hill at http://www.sarajevo-x.com/galerije/051103008/1

One thing I've learned from this story is how widespread pyramids are. There are even http://www.earthquest.co.uk/china/china.html" .
 
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Tojen said:
Aca, I appreciate and envy your first hand experience. I'm just going by what I find on the Internet and so far I haven't found why Osmanagic gives a possible age of 12,000 years old. That's a pretty rash thing to say since that puts it pretty much in the last ice age, so it would be nice to hear why he thinks that.

Carl, I'm guessing that isn't debris on the rocks, but part of their makeup. It looks much like the tunnel entrance http://www.bosnianpyramid.com/images/tunnel_orig.jpg" . If that's the native rock, it looks like a hardened conglomerate of coarse gravel and sand or somesuch.

There's a good slide show of various angles of the hill at http://www.sarajevo-x.com/galerije/051103008/1

One thing I've learned from this story is how widespread pyramids are. There are even http://www.earthquest.co.uk/china/china.html" .

Tojen, everytime I post something about this discovery I get the feeling I'm turning into an armchair archaeologist. Yetch:eek::bugeye: :rolleyes: :zzz: .

Anyway, I'm glad you've pointed out some of these things. I mentioned Chinese pyramids earlier in this thread. Your point about the make-up of the stone from around the town of Visoko gives one the impression of it being aggregate cement. Otherwise it is a composite rock and extremely unmanagable for carving etc... because of the variety of stones in the mix.

One reason Mr. Osmanagic gives a date of 12,000 years would be that, geologically.. and if the hill is a pyramid, it would take some sort of huge melt down and runoff of water to cover the structure in mud, debris, etc... to the point of burying it 1 meter in the stuff.

The only time in pre-history that there was enough water moving around moving that much dirt was during the melting and recession of the glaciers that were in the area around 11,000 years ago, give or take.

Another reason is that if the structure was built out of an early form of aggregate cement, with smooth outside planes, the amount of weathering on those blocks in the photos would also immediately indicate vast expanses of time (relatively speaking) had gone by since they were laid or cut.

Picture of cut aggregate cement:

http://www.troesh.com/diamondrock/images/clip_image004.gif
 
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That is very cool stuff :cool:
 
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Thank you all for your responses. Well, Tojen! You are asking why is Mr. Osmanagic claiming that the Bosnian pyramids are 12,000 yr. old? I agree with Carl and his thoughts about huge ice melt-down which came in one big wave and probably covered not only the "pyramid" but the whole region as well.

Many archeologists today are saying that the "pyramids" were built during the Illirians' time or even Romans. Now that's funny because Roman empire and its army were well equiped; their soldiers were using sharp metal swords and other "then" fine armory. The picture you are about to see will tell you right away that whoever was using this knife or an axe was not capable of using metal to make things: http://www.visoko.co.ba/foto/data/upimages/kama.jpg
So it had to be long, long time ago.

Then here are the pictures of stones with some carvings on it;
Very interesting!
These artifacts have been discoverd in the past 2 months in the pyramid area
http://www.visoko.co.ba/foto/data/upimages/brod1.jpg
http://www.visoko.co.ba/foto/data/upimages/brod.jpg

The carvings on it, as they are assuming is representation of a ship...?
 
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Aca said:
Thank you all for your responses. Well, Tojen! You are asking why is Mr. Osmanagic claiming that the Bosnian pyramids are 12,000 yr. old? I agree with Carl and his thoughts about huge ice melt-down which came in one big wave and probably covered not only the "pyramid" but the whole region as well.

Many archeologists today are saying that the "pyramids" were built during the Illirians' time or even Romans. Now that's funny because Roman empire and its army were well equiped; their soldiers were using sharp metal swords and other "then" fine armory. The picture you are about to see will tell you right away that whoever was using this knife or an axe was not capable of using metal to make things: http://www.visoko.co.ba/foto/data/upimages/kama.jpg
So it had to be long, long time ago.

Then here are the pictures of stones with some carvings on it;
Very interesting!
These artifacts have been discoverd in the past 2 months in the pyramid area
http://www.visoko.co.ba/foto/data/upimages/brod1.jpg
http://www.visoko.co.ba/foto/data/upimages/brod.jpg

The carvings on it, as they are assuming is representation of a ship...?



If those apparently effortlessly carved pieces show the bow of a ship I have some candidates to submit as the type of ship it may be:

Egyptian (date of first design?):

http://www.travel-to-egypt.net/images/SolarBoat.jpg

Phoenician (date of first design?):

http://www.giambarba.com/pg/images/phoenicianship.gif

Sumerian ship:

http://www.geocities.com/myessays/reedshipcave.jpg

Papyrus vessel:

http://www.science.sakhalin.ru/Ship/Img-S/His_05.jpg

And I can't resist this one... Viking Ship:

http://naturecoast.com/hobby/osberg.jpg
 
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Very interesting! Is it possible that "they" carried the stones on those ships from somewhere else? This whole excavation is just a big mistery. Just few minutes ago the most recent updates have been posted so i am posting just a few pic-links where you can see perfectly aligned stone blocks!

http://www.piramidasunca.ba/images/podmeni/aktuelnosti/05052006/img03.jpg

..ahh here is another one! It looks like a fossil of a leaf...??:confused:

http://www.piramidasunca.ba/images/podmeni/aktuelnosti/05052006/img16.jpg
 
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Thanks for the photos, Aca. The aligned slabs are the most convincing for me so far.

After reading about the 9,000 year old submerged city off the coast of India, I'm looking differently at new discoveries like the Bosnian pyramid, but I still have problems with Osmanagic's reasoning. According to what I found, the top of the hill is about 500 metres or more above sea level. How could there have been enough water to cover it? (since the height of the last glaciation, oceans have risen 120 metres to their present level). Surely the "rebound effect" (can't remember the proper term) after the glaciers melted couldn't account for that much vertical movement of the land. So, what else would account for the deep layer of soil covering the hill?

I didn't mean to imply that the conglomerate rock was man-made, Carl, but that it was hardened naturally. I've heard the term "soup stone" for that kind of composite rock. It looks the same as the rock around the entrance to the tunnel, so that's why I'm guessing it's the native rock there.

The engraved rocks are interesting. If they're meant to represent ships, it's odd how they don't include the whole ship, as if they're stylized depictions as in early forms of writing.

Tojen, everytime I post something about this discovery I get the feeling I'm turning into an armchair archaeologist. Yetch.

For the time being, that's the most that I can aspire to. :frown: Speaking of which, Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings arrived today. Looks great so far but I wish I knew more about cartography.

(Pardon my intermittent posting here, but I've worked 14 days in a row now and still counting...)
 
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Now guys don't think that i am cheap story buyer but this just sounds so unreal; they have found another pyramid like shaped hill in the city of Maglaj. Mr. Osmanagic (who is in US now) has asked NASA to give him sattelite images of the hill and the images have shown better shaped hill then the one in Visoko (Visocica)

Well anyway here is the link...it's in Bosnian!

http://maglaj.net/forum/img/users/5_piramida.jpg
 
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Tojen said:
Thanks for the photos, Aca. The aligned slabs are the most convincing for me so far.

After reading about the 9,000 year old submerged city off the coast of India, I'm looking differently at new discoveries like the Bosnian pyramid, but I still have problems with Osmanagic's reasoning. According to what I found, the top of the hill is about 500 metres or more above sea level. How could there have been enough water to cover it? (since the height of the last glaciation, oceans have risen 120 metres to their present level). Surely the "rebound effect" (can't remember the proper term) after the glaciers melted couldn't account for that much vertical movement of the land. So, what else would account for the deep layer of soil covering the hill?

I didn't mean to imply that the conglomerate rock was man-made, Carl, but that it was hardened naturally. I've heard the term "soup stone" for that kind of composite rock. It looks the same as the rock around the entrance to the tunnel, so that's why I'm guessing it's the native rock there.

The engraved rocks are interesting. If they're meant to represent ships, it's odd how they don't include the whole ship, as if they're stylized depictions as in early forms of writing.



For the time being, that's the most that I can aspire to. :frown: Speaking of which, Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings arrived today. Looks great so far but I wish I knew more about cartography.

(Pardon my intermittent posting here, but I've worked 14 days in a row now and still counting...)

Hey Toj.

"All work and no play make person very tired" (Confused us).

"Work yer fingers to the bone and... whaddayagit?... boney fingers!" (Elly May Clam pit)

Ach, its not so bad doing some observing for a change. I've done my time with the trowel, toothbrush, flat-nose shovel, buckets buckets and buckets and screeners.

But, I still envy the effing eff out of anyone doing an excavation anywhere at anytime. Its really rather entertaining until the Moose Flys carry you off to feed their young!

I've been scoping natural rock formations around my area and there is often the occurance where a crack will run, perfectly straight, for a number of feet. You can see this in granite and sandstone so I don't doubt that composite rock will crack along a straight line too.

This is not to say these megalithic pieces are natural outcroppings... but, I'm not saying they're the facing of a 720 foot high pyramid, either... until the whole picture emerges. And that will take over a year due to the careful nature of uncovering such a possibility.

Yah, Tojen, it is not too often that people take my recommendations on what to read, especially when it involves controversy. I am really quite humbled that you would do so and I can only hope that Hapgood provides some of the excitement for you that his work did for me.

Hapgood was doing his enormass undertaking of geological research at the same time that the villified and, for some reason, immediately discounted Immanual Velikovsky (the Russian) was proposing his ideas about the history of the Solar System. Both Hapgood and Velikovsky corresponded with Albert Einstein as well as met and shared pipe tobbacco etc... Velokovsky's famous book which contains one of his theories is titled "Worlds In Collision".

Here is some background on Velokovsky:http://home.flash.net/~cjransom/vel.html
His theories include the use of mythologys and stories from ancient times as sort of guages by which to measure the climate, astronomical events, etc etc...
 
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Aca said:
Now guys don't think that i am cheap story buyer but this just sounds so unreal; they have found another pyramid like shaped hill in the city of Maglaj. Mr. Osmanagic (who is in US now) has asked NASA to give him sattelite images of the hill and the images have shown better shaped hill then the one in Visoko (Visocica)

Well anyway here is the link...it's in Bosnian!

http://maglaj.net/forum/img/users/5_piramida.jpg

Aca, thanks for these up-dates. This is truly a treat!

Another pyramid... in Bosnia yet!

Viva la Bosnia! Rock Bosnia! In another 100 years there'll be a song that goes, ..."walk like a Bosnian..."

Oh yeah... to answer Tojen's question about the deposits of debris which has decomposed and become about a 1 meter layer of dirt covering the pyramidal hills...

This could happen because, from what I know from my area, glaciers got to be around 1 MILE thick... in the valleys they carved for themselves.

So, imagine a 1 MILE thick glacier melting.

The rivers would be gigantic. The force of the water outragious. And, any minor, 720 foot tall structure would be inundated with the water, rocks, debris, stray mammoths etc... etc... etc...

The fact that the site is well above sea level shows the same type of clever planning that is seen in many cases of ancient ruins... like Maccupittu(sp), Giza Plateau, The mexican pyramids, the Chinnese pyramids are close to a range of mountains... higher elevations and on and on. Thialand has pyramids way up in the mountains. Its as though they'd all lived through the same rise in sea level... or had records of it.

But none of them could predict the changes that would happen when a rapid melt down of trillions of tonnes of glacier took place. Just my take.
 
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Whoa, hold on a minute, folks. There is a pyramind in France. It's small, more like a "hobby" pyramid, but the suggested reason for its existence might have some bearing on the Bosnian hills...

The Falicon Pyramid is an ancient monument located at a rural site near the town of Falicon, on the French Riviera, near Nice.

It is constructed above a karstic cave known as the Cave of the Bats (Occitan: Bauma des Ratapignata) and is one of the few pyramids in Europe. The pyramid is constructed of small irregularly-shaped stones, posesses a fairly acute angle of inclination, and is in a partly ruined condition. While most of its upper section is missing, the lower section is reasonably well-preserved.

The pyramid's purpose and origins are unknown, although it has been suggested that it may have been constructed by Roman legionaries involved in Egyptian cult practises. The number of stairs leading into the cave below the pyramid also supposedly corresponds to the 7-level initiation rituals of the cult of Mithras - an eastern religion that was popular with members of the Roman Army during the later Empire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_pyramids

Isn't there a Roman fort at the top of the Bosnian pyramid?

Photos...http://www.unice.fr/zetetique/banque_images.html#pyramide
 
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Carl...Confused Us and Elly May Clam Pit convinced me to take a day off. :approve:

re: Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings, I like a good mystery as much as anyone, especially if it turns out to be non-fiction. I'm impressed with Hapgood's considered, level-headed approach (unlike a certain bombastic Bosnian's). I'm pulling for him to be right, but even if his conclusion is eventually proven to be wrong, he's a great teacher. It's often the students who come up with solutions or suggestions. I occasionally wish I'd had a teacher like him, then realize he would have been wasted on me in my younger days. :frown:

There's a lot of frost-shattered rock in the Canadian Shield that can run on fairly long lines, though it's mostly in "layered" rock, I believe. Whether that's possible in composite rock, I don't know, but from the photos, the slabs do appear to have been cut and positioned by humans. If that's true, the next question would be, When? I guess that's the answer we're all waiting for.
 
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Isn't there a Roman fort at the top of the Bosnian pyramid?

Well, it was originnaly something like a castle but the Romans used it as a observational point, which ofcourse, was in the hands of "educated" Bosnian archeologists who were so careless that they let it fall apart to dust. Never did they try to get the government funding to at least repair the ruins...now practicly nothing is left. Shame!
 
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Tojen said:
There's a lot of frost-shattered rock in the Canadian Shield that can run on fairly long lines, though it's mostly in "layered" rock, I believe. Whether that's possible in composite rock, I don't know, but from the photos, the slabs do appear to have been cut and positioned by humans. If that's true, the next question would be, When? I guess that's the answer we're all waiting for.

Tojen, have another day off on me!

As for determining the natural or anthropological origins of the "Bosnian Pyramids"... one (round-trip) plane ticket would solve that question for me. The photos don't cut-the-mustard yet as far as I'm concerned.
 
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Aca wrote:

Well, it was originnaly something like a castle but the Romans used it as a observational point...

Yeah, it doesn't look like the Roman legionaires would have built them. The Mithras cult is a Persian influence, not Egyptian, and doesn't seem to be associated with pyramids. The article mentions Egyptian cults but they seem to have been practised only by Roman soldiers stationed in Egypt. Never mind. :rolleyes:

quantumcarl wrote:

Tojen, have another day off on me!

No could do. :frown:
 
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Latest pictures:

http://www.visoko.co.ba/foto/data/upimages/mjesec3.jpg
http://www.visoko.co.ba/foto/data/upimages/mjesec2.jpg
http://www.visoko.co.ba/foto/data/upimages/groblje.jpg

The skeleton has been sent to London for a study!
 
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Aca said:
Latest pictures:

http://www.visoko.co.ba/foto/data/upimages/mjesec3.jpg
http://www.visoko.co.ba/foto/data/upimages/mjesec2.jpg
http://www.visoko.co.ba/foto/data/upimages/groblje.jpg

The skeleton has been sent to London for a study!

Whoa! Are these photos from the visoko pyramid? Is the skeleton from the same site?

Please elaborate!
 
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Yes! These are from the pyramid of the Moon! There aren't any major updates from the pyramid of the sun (Visocica Hill) but it seems the smaller pyramids have a lot more to show then a big one. The stone you see in the pic are not the walls of the pyramids but rather decorative "sidewalks" that lead up toward the pyramid itself. Remember, they are digging from bottom up! I was reading a day ago that pyramid of the sun will never be uncovered completely because of the ancient city that sits on top! A far as the mummy concerns, i don't know, they won't release much info on it. Actually, the skeleton had been recovered much eralier from one of the sites but...! I could not find any more info then what's already here!
 
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It seems there's another site of suspected pyramids much like those in Bosnia, this time in Italy:

Discovered only recently (from the air), in the north of Italy, 40 kn from Milan, are three pyramids, dating back to 3,000BC, and in the same alignment as Giza and Orion. The tallest is 150 metres in height, and beneath the Earth are stone buildings, yet to be excavated. Alternatively, they could just be terraced hills, with stone support structures...

http://survive2012.com/europe_pyramids.php

More photos: http://www.mwm.cz/CD/c1184.htm
 
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Aca said:
Yes! These are from the pyramid of the Moon! There aren't any major updates from the pyramid of the sun (Visocica Hill) but it seems the smaller pyramids have a lot more to show then a big one. The stone you see in the pic are not the walls of the pyramids but rather decorative "sidewalks" that lead up toward the pyramid itself. Remember, they are digging from bottom up! I was reading a day ago that pyramid of the sun will never be uncovered completely because of the ancient city that sits on top! A far as the mummy concerns, i don't know, they won't release much info on it. Actually, the skeleton had been recovered much eralier from one of the sites but...! I could not find any more info then what's already here!

Thank you Aca. The tiled area at the "Moon" Pyramid is looking like it was put there by people. This is the kind of photographic evidence that helps put things in perspective.

Its unclear who did this tile work because there has been so much historic and pre-historic activity around the town and the hills there. As you say, they cannot excavate near the top of Visocica because of existing ruins in the area. Patience has to be found in the archaeologist's tool box in order to deal with this sort of beurocratic and sensitive cultural issue.

Thanks again.
 
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Tojen said:
It seems there's another site of suspected pyramids much like those in Bosnia, this time in Italy:

Discovered only recently (from the air), in the north of Italy, 40 kn from Milan, are three pyramids, dating back to 3,000BC, and in the same alignment as Giza and Orion. The tallest is 150 metres in height, and beneath the Earth are stone buildings, yet to be excavated. Alternatively, they could just be terraced hills, with stone support structures...

http://survive2012.com/europe_pyramids.php

More photos: http://www.mwm.cz/CD/c1184.htm

Pyramids pyramids pyramids as far as the eye can see... but not-a-one-in Canada... hee hee. Perhaps this is because Canada was covered by 2 kms of ice back when pyramids were in fashion, eh!
 
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There were pyramids here, all right, but they were made of huge blocks of ice. :confused:

I just saw the date on the Italian pyramid story is 2003, which puts it a good two or three years before the Bosnian pyramid story, yet there seems to be nothing about it since then, anywhere...
 
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Tojen said:
There were pyramids here, all right, but they were made of huge blocks of ice. :confused:

I just saw the date on the Italian pyramid story is 2003, which puts it a good two or three years before the Bosnian pyramid story, yet there seems to be nothing about it since then, anywhere...

Its a conspiracy:devil: . The pyramid on the grassy knole that was only mentioned once on the news. A sure sign of a cover-up!

As soon as a conscientious and persistent historian or pre-historian takes the time to investigate the correlation or non-correlation between all of these pyramidal structures, dates them, records them etc... the researcher will be black-listed. Take Graham Hancock for example. His peers refuse to even entertain his conclusions. The hard data he produces is ignored by the media and the profession.

There was a great link to a good report back on the
"So, who really discovered America?" thread. The report examines how many findings are not reported due to their anomalous nature. Those kinds of discoveries that don't mesh with accepted theories are left to rot out of the spotlight. Consequently, the public, (you and I), are left with a record, timeline and history that are, by all purposes, a goof-up.
 
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No wonder why i could not find more info on Italian pyramid story! Anyway, Dr.(geologist) Aly Abd Alla Barakat has arrived at the pyramid site at Visoko where he studied the stone blocks. He said the the block are man-made and have a huge similarity with the stones used to build Egyptian pyramids...!

Dr himself...

http://www.piramidasunca.ba/images/podmeni/aktuelnosti/16052006/16050601.jpg

http://www.piramidasunca.ba/images/podmeni/aktuelnosti/15052006/15050608.jpg

http://www.piramidasunca.ba/images/podmeni/aktuelnosti/15052006/15050606.jpg

...God! these people here are complete idiots...i mean they plant the trees and build the houses and no one saw it before...:rolleyes:
 
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Aca said:
No wonder why i could not find more info on Italian pyramid story! Anyway, Dr.(geologist) Aly Abd Alla Barakat has arrived at the pyramid site at Visoko where he studied the stone blocks. He said the the block are man-made and have a huge similarity with the stones used to build Egyptian pyramids...!

Dr himself...

http://www.piramidasunca.ba/images/podmeni/aktuelnosti/16052006/16050601.jpg

http://www.piramidasunca.ba/images/podmeni/aktuelnosti/15052006/15050608.jpg

http://www.piramidasunca.ba/images/podmeni/aktuelnosti/15052006/15050606.jpg

...God! these people here are complete idiots...i mean they plant the trees and build the houses and no one saw it before...:rolleyes:

Aca, please tell me if the configuration of the Three pyramids matches the configuration of the three in Italy and the three in Egypt. (two in line and one a few degrees off that line)

The alignment of the three Egyptian pyramids is thought to be a representation of Orion's Belt (from its stellar configuration of 12,000 years ago). 2 of the pyramids are on a line and one is off-set by a specific amount of degrees. If you look at Orion's Belt in the sky at night you'll see the configurtion (slightly different alignment today)

You seem to be well informed about the VISOKO, Bosnia-Herzegovina stuctures so if you can find any information on this question it would be great. Thanks.
 
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Carl, tere is a long text with more detailed info that i will try to translate into english. But, they say that the pyramids in Bosnia have the same configuration as the Cheops pyramid in Egypt...having said that there are tunnels under the pyramids with intersections which are alligned perferctly with east-west, north-south.

The length of all sides (from top, down) are "365" meters in length so creating an even-sided triangle with 60&186; on each angle - in other words there is a deviation on geographical north of 21' and that alligns the pyramid perfectly with the "North star" i don't know how that star is called in english but i am sure you know what i am talking about.

Carl, so far they have been compering them with the pyramids in Egypt so i really don't have much on the Italian pyramids...altough i searched!
 
  • #37
...also in the text it says that the ancient Egyptians did not build the pyramids in Egypt. When the pyramid was broken into almost 1000 years ago they found a layer of salt and fossils on the bottom...they suspect that pyramids were once flooded.

1792 i believe, Napoleon Bonaparte was always fascinated by east, so when he got there he hurried into the pyramid and then ordered his guards to leave him alone to spend a night in the faraon's casket. In the morning he came out pale and and enigmatic. When the guards asked him how was the night Napoleon said: "Even if i told you, you would not believe me". He was asked many times after about his experience and what he felt but he took his secret to the grave.

Did his spiritual life became much stronger? Did his soul go on the cruise through the Universe? To the gates of enternity? Lucky him, maybe he found the purpose of the humans in universe. If he did see something i wonder how did he look at this world after his spiritual experience? I am gettin' of the topic i should stop...:-p
 
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Aca said:
Carl, tere is a long text with more detailed info that i will try to translate into english. But, they say that the pyramids in Bosnia have the same configuration as the Cheops pyramid in Egypt...having said that there are tunnels under the pyramids with intersections which are alligned perferctly with east-west, north-south.

The length of all sides (from top, down) are "365" meters in length so creating an even-sided triangle with 60&186; on each angle - in other words there is a deviation on geographical north of 21' and that alligns the pyramid perfectly with the "North star" i don't know how that star is called in english but i am sure you know what i am talking about.

Carl, so far they have been compering them with the pyramids in Egypt so i really don't have much on the Italian pyramids...altough i searched!

OK Aca. Thank you! I've heard two things to do with the way the three aledged pyramids of Bosnia are aligned:eg:

One suggestion mirrors what you have been able to report...that the 3 Bosnian pyramids are in a configuration appearing to represent the configuration of the Belt of Orion, as do the 3 pyramids of Egypt on the Giza plateau.

The other suggestion is that the 3 Bosnian structures form some-sort of significant triangle (which?) and do not conform to the alignments of the Egyptian nor the Italian pyramids which do conform to the alignment of Orion's Belt (as it occurred 12,500 years ago or so).

Here's how the New York Times answers my question,

But where archaeologists see tectonic action and geological principles, Osmanagic sees the glory and grandeur of Bosnian prehistory, in which his ancestors built not only the Pyramid of the Sun, but also two works hidden under nearby hills, which he has named the Pyramids of the Moon and Dragon. These three terrestrial lumps, he said, form a perfect triangle.

from: http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/05/15/news/pyramid.php

When Heinrich Schliemann discovered the ancient walls and city of Troy it was just a shapless hill. It was only Schliemann's keen eye that could see the potential for a fantastic find.
 
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Are you guys aware of this archaeological site? It isn't about pyramids, but it's in the same area and could have some relevance. It's from an "anomalies" site which also includes eyewitness accounts of modern dinosaurs (:rolleyes:), so take it as you please. I haven't been able to find anything about it on other web sites, but the archaeologist, Dragoslav Srejovic, seems to be legitimate:

--What are perhaps the most disturbing prehistoric construction and civilization finds were uncovered in 1965 by archaeologist Dragoslav Srejovic at a site now called Starveco, on the Danube River, on the Yugoslavian and Rumanian border.

Digging into the Yugoslavian bank, Srejovic first encountered traces of a Roman road; beneath this were fragments of proto-Greek pottery, and below these were Neolithic remnants and traces of Mesolithic cultural artifacts.

Deeper still, Srejovic came upon something totally out of place: the remains of a cement floor. More specifically, the material was an amalgam of local limestone, sand and water, considered a feat of chemistry and construction several millennia ahead of its time. The cement surfaces were not placed haphazardly, but were carefully laid out in large slabs to form the foundations of houses.

--The Starveco site has yielded a number of other cultural characteristics previously thought to have been developed thousands of years later, in the Middle East. Behind the hearth in each house, laborers unearthed the remains of altars, indicating religious beliefs and practices.

Each altar was composed of a flat stone, with a cup impression for burning a sacriffce, which faced two or more upright stones of reddish sandstone. This sandstone has been excavated from an outcrop, located in a ravine several miles away, and many of the stones had carved wavy lines or chevrons in low relief, considered the oldest examples of architectural decoration. Even more significant was the discovery of twenty sculpted life-size human faces of stone...

An interesting aspect of the site was the evidence of very good health among the Starveco population. There was a striking absence of deformed or diseased bones, and the women were so robustly built that it was difficult to tell their skeletal remains from those of the men.

http://s8int.com/sophis1.html
 
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Tojen said:
Are you guys aware of this archaeological site? It isn't about pyramids, but it's in the same area and could have some relevance. It's from an "anomalies" site which also includes eyewitness accounts of modern dinosaurs (:rolleyes:), so take it as you please. I haven't been able to find anything about it on other web sites, but the archaeologist, Dragoslav Srejovic, seems to be legitimate:

Very good of you to share. Its a bit hard to totally believe a report about a find that is described in a publication (website) which also reports on dinosaurs in the bible and roaming the secret valleys of today.

Egyptians came up with cement before the Romans by about 1000 years or more.

It is mentioned in this write up about the VISOKO, Bosnia site.

VISOKO, Bosnia - An Egyptian geologist said on Wednesday that a hill in central Bosnia appeared to be a primitive human-made pyramid of uncertain age.

Geologist Aly Abd Barakat was sent by Egypt’s government to join the local team researching what Bosnian-born amateur archaeologist Semir Osmanagic says are three 12,000-year-old pyramids — the Bosnian Pyramids of Sun, Moon and Dragon.

“In my opinion, it is a type of pyramid, probably primitive pyramid ... (that) we did not know until now,” Barakat told reporters at the dig on the northeastern side of Visocica hill, where huge stone blocks have been found.

“It is difficult for nature to create blocks like this and oriented in one orientation,” he said, pointing to compact polished blocks.

He added that sand layers between the blocks were the same type of artificial cement used in ancient Egyptian pyramids. Barakat said detailed study was needed to determine the age of the excavated blocks and the type of the material used, and said more Egyptian archaeologists would join the team in Bosnia.

Semir Osmanagic's theory about pyramids in Bosnia has been denounced by local and European archaeologists, who say that ancient civilizations in Europe lived in caves and could not build such structures. But the U.S.-based researcher has invited skeptics to come to Bosnia.

From MSNBC: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12837694/

There's a photo on this MSN site of Mr. Osmanagic with the Egyptian Governmental Geologist, Mr. Aly Abd Barakat checking out those big parallel megaliths that look to be made of composite rock. The Egyptian Govt. Geologist figures there had been a form of cement (similar to the Egyptian cement) used between the behemothes.
 
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Just recently they have discoverd two stone blocks with some ancient writings on it near the pyramid valley in Visoko and they are sent it somewhere for study! Some believe it is a Roman "mile-stone" indicating the distance when they traveled! Anyways, looks very interesting. :confused:

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/9867/scriptgot0nc.jpg
 
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Aca said:
Just recently they have discoverd two stone blocks with some ancient writings on it near the pyramid valley in Visoko and they are sent it somewhere for study! Some believe it is a Roman "mile-stone" indicating the distance when they traveled! Anyways, looks very interesting. :confused:

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/9867/scriptgot0nc.jpg

You're right to look confused! The photographs you've linked us to are of a rock with no scale references. There is either some very weathered evidence of linear carving or some scratches on rock that are left by a recent glaciation of the area. They do seem to form linear parallels with some regular distribution.

Here is a Roman milestone from the days of the Caesars.
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer...ia/Terni/Orvieto/Orvieto/Roman/milestone.html If there are earlier ones (500 bc) they may have had an Etruscan script carved into them but, the script would have looked much like the Roman, using the Greek alpha-numeric script.

Here's an example of the Etruscan script.

http://www.omniglot.com/writing/etruscan.htm

The type of rock carving or "petroglyph" I'm used to investigating is usually still in good shape by the time I get to it. That's because they're only from 2000 to 6000 years old.

If the lines carved into the rock in the photographs you have provided are "man made" then the date of the carving must be very ancient... as evidenced by the weathering observed on the rock in the photo.

However, the photographs do not approach the criteria for creating a scientific record. These photographs only serve to motivate the viewer into buying a plane ticket to Visoko... with visions of drinking perfect vodka dancing in their heads!:smile:
 
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Thanks for the milestone picture carl, been looking for one!:-p Anyway, the only reason i came here is because i came across this forum and i thought discussion here would nice and quite, and it is! I am not coming here with intension to fuel interest of traveling to Visoko or anything. I just stop by and with some new photos and that is it!
 
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Aca said:
Thanks for the milestone picture carl, been looking for one!:-p Anyway, the only reason i came here is because i came across this forum and i thought discussion here would nice and quite, and it is! I am not coming here with intension to fuel interest of traveling to Visoko or anything. I just stop by and with some new photos and that is it!

Totally appreciated Aca! I don't keep coming to this thread because I'm looking for good vodka or tickets to Bosnia. I'm here because you and Tojen keep contributing to the only knowledge we can get (with out flying there) about what could be a most incredible and ground breaking (excuse the pun) excavation. Thank you dudes!

Here are some "inscriptions" from inside the tunnel that was explored at the site... plus commentary on a blog about the Bosnian Pyramids.

http://www.stuart-hall.com/blog/Bosnianpyramids

Here are the latest photos on the official website from May 20th... a ****load of downloadable photos.

http://www.bosnianpyramids.org/index.php?id=27&lang=en
 
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Looks like Dr Aly Abd Barakat (an expert on Egyptian pyramids who we have discussed) thinks the large blocks on the face of the largest pyramidal hill in Visoko are a type of poured concrete... as we also suspected! God we're good:eek:

"This gives some indication of the massive size of the ancient construction. After studying excavations on the north side of the pyramid, Barakat concludes that the blocks here are handmade and have been created using a mould to form the blocks, which consist of an ancient 'concrete'-like mix. He also noticed a white line some 0.5cm thick between the blocks, indicating a cement-like substance has been used to adhere the blocks together. A similar method has been seen in the construction of the Egyptian pyramids. Barakat went on to visit another excavation site located at the base of Pljesevica Hill, which is named the Bosnian Pyramid of the Moon.

From the same blog as above: http://www.stuart-hall.com/blog/Bosnianpyramids
 
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quantumcarl said:
God we're good:eek:

Well, you're good, but I never thought that was concrete until I saw the link in my last post. Dr. Barakat's opinion reinforced (:rolleyes:) it though.

Thanks for the link to the inscriptions on the rock. At the bosnian-pyramid.com forums, http://www.bosnian-pyramid.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=65" claims the inscriptions are runic. And that led me to this amazing book which deserves a thread of its own, but here supports a runic origin for the inscriptions...

The Baltic Origins of Homer's Epic Tales : The Iliad, the Odyssey, and the Migration of Myth

by Felice Vinci

Excerpt (from the Introduction). © Reprinted by permission. All rights reserved.

Let us now look for the region of Troy. In the Iliad it is located along the Hellespont Sea, which is systematically described as being “wide” or even “boundless.” We can, therefore, exclude the fact that it refers to the Strait of the Dardanelles, where the city found by Heinrich Schliemann lies. The identification of this city with Homer’s Troy still raises strong doubts: we only have to think of Finley’s criticism in the World of Odysseus. In fact, it coincides with the location of the Greco-Roman Troy, but Strabo plainly claims that the latter does not coincide with the Homeric city: “This is not the site of the ancient Ilium.” He also claims that this plain was under the sea in Homeric times (this was confirmed by a drilling made in 1977).

On the other hand, the Danish medieval historian Saxo Grammaticus, in his Gesta Danorum, often mentions a people known as “Hellespontians” and a region called Hellespont, which, strangely enough, seems to be located in the east of the Baltic Sea. Could it be Homer’s Hellespont? We can further identify it with the Gulf of Finland, which is the geographic counterpart of the Dardanelles (as both of them lie northeast of their respective basins). Since Troy, according to the Iliad, lay northeast of the sea (another reason to dispute Schliemann’s location), then it seems reasonable, for the purpose of this research, to look at a region of southern Finland, where the Gulf of Finland joins the Baltic Sea. In this area, west of Helsinki, we find a number of place-names which astonishingly resemble those mentioned in the Iliad and, in particular, the names of the allies of the Trojans: Askainen (Ascanius), Reso (Rhesus), Karjaa (Caria), Nästi (Nastes, the chief of the Carians), Lyökki (Lycia), Tenala (Tenedos), Kiila (Cilla), Kiikoinen (Ciconians), etc. There is also a Padva, which reminds us of Italian Padua, which was founded, according to tradition, by the Trojan Antenor and lies in Veneto. (The “Eneti” or “Veneti” were allies of the Trojans.) What is more, the place-names Tanttala and Sipilä (the mythical King Tantalus, famous for his torment, was buried on Mount Sipylus) indicate that this matter is not only limited to Homeric geography, but seems to extend to the whole world of Greek mythology.

These place-names do not have recent origins, but it is very difficult to establish just how old they are. Unfortunately, all written Finnish and Scandinavian documents, including the most ancient, are relatively too close to our own time, since they do not date back before the year 1000 A.D. Before this date, unlike the Mediterranean world, there is no written evidence available for reconstructing the evolution of place-names. However, they are significant when they are found in clusters, which make cases of accidental resemblance very unlikely, or when they can be linked to geographic, morphologic, and mythological entities. This theory uses place-names mainly as traces or clues, but it is essentially based on the amazing geographic, morphologic, descriptive, and climatic parallels between the Homeric world and the Baltic one, on which Plutarch has given us a lead.

What about Troy? Right in the middle of this area, halfway between Helsinki and Turku, we discover that King Priam’s city has survived the Achaean sack and fire. Its characteristics correspond exactly to those Homer handed down to us: the hilly area that dominates the valley with its two rivers, the plain that slopes down towards the coast, and the highlands in the background. It has even maintained its own name almost unchanged throughout all this time. Today, “Toija” is a peaceful Finnish village, unaware of its glorious and tragic past.

Various trips to these places from July 11, 1992, onward have confirmed the extraordinary correspondence between the Iliad’s descriptions and the area surrounding Toija. What is more, there we come across many significant traces of the Bronze Age. Incredibly, toward the sea we find a place called Aijala, which recalls the “beach” (“aigialós”), where, according to Homer, the Achaeans beached their ships. Besides, the name of the Halikonjoki, the “Haliko River,” which runs 20 km from Toija, is identical to the ancient Greek name “Halikos” of the Platani River in southwestern Sicily, which flows into the sea in an area extremely rich in archaeological remains and mythical records of ancient Greece.

In short, apart from the morphological features of this area, the geographic position of the Finnish Troas fits the mythological directions like a glove. This explains why a “thick fog” often fell on those fighting on the Trojan plain, and Ulysses’ sea is never as bright as that of the Greek islands, but always “grey” and “misty.” Everywhere in the two poems the weather--with its fog, wind, rain, cold temperatures, and snow that falls on the plains and even out to sea--has little in common with the Mediterranean climate; moreover, the Sun and warm temperatures are hardly ever mentioned. In a word, most of the time the weather is unsettled, so much so that the bronze-clad fighting warriors invoke a cloudless sky during the battle. We are far away from the torrid Anatolian lowlands. The way in which Homer’s characters are dressed is in perfect keeping with this kind of climate. They wear tunics and “thick, heavy cloaks” which they never remove, not even during banquets. This attire corresponds exactly to the remains of clothing found in Bronze Age Danish graves, down to such details as the metal brooch that pinned the cloak at the shoulder.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594770522/?tag=pfamazon01-20

And more details here:

It was, therefore, along the Baltic coast that Homer's events took place, presumably about the beginning of the second millennium B.C., when the "climatic optimum" collapsed, before the Achaean migration towards the Mediterranean and the consequent rise of the Mycenaean civilisation in Greece (this explains why any reliable information regarding the author, or authors, of the poems had already been lost before the classical times). The migrants took their epos and geography along with them and attributed the same names they had left behind in their lost homeland to the various places where they eventually settled. This heritage was immortalized by Homer's poems and Greek mythology, which on the one hand has a lot of similarities with the Nordic one, on the other seems to have lost the memory of the great migration from the North (this probably happened after the collapse of the Mycenaean civilisation, around the XII century B.C.). Moreover, they went as far as renaming other Mediterranean regions with corresponding Baltic names, such as Libya, Crete and Egypt, thus creating an enormous "geographical misunderstanding" which has lasted till now.

http://itis.volta.alessandria.it/episteme/ep2vinc2.htm
At the north end of the Baltic Sea is the Gulf of Bothnia...

Bothnia is a Latinization of a name in an ancestral Nordic language from which the current Swedish botten also derives, Väster-botten on the Sweden side and Öster-botten the Finland side ("East Bottom" and "West Bottom"). The -th- in the Latinized word comes from the earlier Germanic letter, thorn. The name of the Finland province in Finnish, Pohjan-maa, or "Pohjan"-land, gives us a hint as to the meaning in both languages: Pohja means both "bottom" and "north."

Botten is believed to be related to English bottom as in bottomland. It might part of a general north European distinction of lowlands, as opposed to highlands, such as in the names Netherlands and Zemaitia (Lithuania) or Samland (Prussia).

A second possibility is that botten follows an alternative Scandic connotation of 'furthermost'. Thus, the Gulf of Bothnia would be the farthest extent of the Ocean.

Julius Pokorny gives the extended Indo-european root as *bhudh-m(e)n with a *bhudh-no- variant, from which also Latin fundus, as in fundament. The original meaning of English north, from Indo-european *ner- "under", indicates an original sense of "lowlands" for "bottomlands". On the other hand, by "North" the classical authors usually meant "outermost", as the northern lands were outermost to them.

Which meaning prevailed is a distinction that may be too precise to determine, especially as European cultures tended to assimilate and exchange cultural elements.

Whether Pohjanmaa translates botten or vice versa is a question for history and archaeology, relating to who settled and named the region first.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Bothnia

The first preserved mention of the name "Bosnia" lies in the De Administrando Imperio, a politico-geographical handbook written by Byzantine emperor Constantine VII in 958. The Chronicle of the Priest of Duklja from 1172-1196 also names Bosnia, and references an earlier source from the year 753. The exact meaning and origin of the word is unclear. The most popular theory holds that Bosnia comes from the name of the Bosna river around which it has been historically based. Philologist Anton Mayer proposed a connection with the Indo-European root bos or bogh, meaning "running water". Certain Roman sources similarly mention Bathinus flumen, or the Illyrian word Bosona, both of which would mean "running water" as well. Other theories involve the rare Latin term Bosina, meaning boundary, and possible Slavic origins.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnia
Whether or not there is a link between the two names is still up in the air, but it sure does seem suspicious.
 
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Another amazing picture from the latest excavation...!

http://www.bosnian-pyramid.com/gallery/Excavations/903060pi5.jpg
 
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Tojen said:
Well, you're good, but I never thought that was concrete until I saw the link in my last post. Dr. Barakat's opinion reinforced (:rolleyes:) it though.

Thanks for the link to the inscriptions on the rock. At the bosnian-pyramid.com forums, http://www.bosnian-pyramid.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=65" claims the inscriptions are runic. And that led me to this amazing book which deserves a thread of its own, but here supports a runic origin for the inscriptions...
And more details here:At the north end of the Baltic Sea is the Gulf of Bothnia...

Whether or not there is a link between the two names is still up in the air, but it sure does seem suspicious.

You can imagine what the Bosna River looked like.. swollen with 20 trillion gallons of melt water coming off the glaciers of 11,500 years ago. In some areas the water of rivers rose by 1000 feet. This deluge changed the structure and landscape of anything in its path.

Thank you for the info on Homer and so on. I had no idea the Oddessy included a trip up the Baltic! Were there any of those little umbrella drinks available on deck?

The inscriptions from the tunnel do have a runeish quality to them. They also look like arrows pointing in a direction.

Here is an example of the "Old English Futhorc" rune alphabet... there are similarities to what we see in the photo from Sam's site:

http://members.madasafish.com/~cj_whitehound/(un)Familiar/artwork/runes/symbols/futhorc.gif
 
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If the inscriptions in the tunnels are "ruins" then they probably are graffitti... if we believe the Bosnian structures are as old as 12,000 ybp... since the first form of Runes are thought to have occurred around 200 ad.
 
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Yeah, if those are runic characters, they probably are graffiti. It was just a thought. In your link, I didn't see the "E" style character, but I did see the letter "thorn" which gives the "th" sound in Bothnia.

I gather you don't think much of the Baltic origins of Homer's tales story. It's far from proven but assuming the author is being truthful, I find it believable. However, since it probably has nothing to do with the Bothnian pyramids--sorry, I mean Bosnian :smile:--I won't say any more about it.
 
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