Boundary of open set always zero measure?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the question of whether the boundary of an open set in \(\mathbb{R}^n\) has Lebesgue measure zero. Participants explore this concept through examples and references, examining the implications of various definitions of measure.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that if \(V\) is an open set in \(\mathbb{R}^n\), then its boundary has Lebesgue measure zero.
  • Another participant agrees with this assertion, assuming it pertains to ordinary Lebesgue measure.
  • A challenge is raised regarding the validity of the initial claim, with a request for references to support it.
  • A counterexample is provided from Spivak's "Calculus on Manifolds," indicating that an open set may not be Jordan-measurable, which implies its boundary may not have measure zero.
  • Additional examples are suggested, including the complement of a fat Cantor set in \([0,1]\), which may also illustrate boundaries with positive measure.
  • A participant proposes a construction involving the rational numbers in \([0,1]\) and a countable sequence of intervals, suggesting that this could yield an open set with a boundary of positive Lebesgue measure.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; multiple competing views and examples are presented, indicating that the question remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some arguments depend on specific definitions of measure, and there are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the examples provided.

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Is this true?

<br /> V\subset\mathbb{R}^n\;\textrm{open}\quad\implies\quad m_n(\partial V)=0<br />
 
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Assuming you mean ordinary Lebesgue measure, the answer is yes.
 
Are you sure? Do you have a reference?
 
I have a reference to the countrary! Spivak's calc on manifolds, page 56: "Problem 3-11 shows that even an open set C may not be Jordan-measurable, so that \int_Cf is not necessarily defined even if C is open and f is continuous."

Jordan-measurable means that the boundary has Lebesgue measure zero. And the set of problem 3-11 is A subset of [0,1] given by a union of open intervals (a_i,b_i) such that each rational number in (0,1) is contained in some (a_i,b_i). Then bd(A) = [0,1]\A and if \sum (b_i-a_i)&lt;1, bd(A) does not have measure zero.
 
Another family of examples can be obtained by letting V be the complement of a fat Cantor set in [0,1].
 
Thanks for pointing out the ugly fact :devil:
 
I was wondering this myself. I think I have an interesting example:
Let Q intersect [0,1] = {r_1, r_2, ...}. Then, find a countable sequence of intervals centered around each r_n, with the property that the total length of the intervals is less than 1. Then, let I be the union of these intervals.

This gives an open set whose boundary has positive lebesgue measure.

I think.
 

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