Bounded Subsets of a Metric Space

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The discussion revolves around the concept of bounded subsets within a metric space, specifically addressing the conditions under which a subset E of a metric space X is considered bounded. The original poster attempts to prove that E is bounded if and only if there exists a constant M>0 such that the distance between any two points in E is less than M.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the proof of boundedness and the implications of compactness, with some questioning the validity of using compactness to demonstrate boundedness. The original poster seeks guidance on how to approach the proof's second part and considers the distance from an arbitrary point in E to others.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing feedback and suggestions. Some have pointed out the limitations of certain approaches, such as the assumption that bounded sets are compact. The conversation reflects a collaborative effort to explore different angles of the proof without reaching a definitive conclusion.

Contextual Notes

There is a recognition that the case of an empty set E needs special consideration, as some approaches may not hold in that scenario.

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Homework Statement



Let X be a metric space and let E be a subset of X. Show that E is bounded if and only if there exists M>0 s.t. for all p,q in E, we have d(p,q)<M.

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Use the definition of bounded which states that a subset E of a metric space X is bounded if there exists a q in X and an M>0 s.t. d(p,q)<M for all p in E.

The Attempt at a Solution



Proof (so far):
Let E be bounded. Then there exists M/2>0 and x in X s.t. d(p,x)<M/2 for all p in E.
Now, take arbitrary p,q in E and observe that:
d(p,q) ≤ d(p,x)+d(x,q) < M/2+M/2= M
Thus, d(p,q)<M for all p,q in E.

Now, I'm getting hung up on the second part of the proof, but I feel as if it shouldn't be hard. I think I've just been staring at this for too long at this point. Any advice as to how I ought to start going in the opposite direction would be greatly appreciated. I considered trying to show that E is compact (and would therefore be closed and, more importantly, bounded), but I'm not sure that's the best route or if it's awfully easy to do.

Thanks!
 
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A bounded set is not compact in general. So you won't be able to show that E is compact.

Try to pick an arbitrary element p in E. What is the distance from p to the other points in E?
 
micromass said:
A bounded set is not compact in general. So you won't be able to show that E is compact.

Try to pick an arbitrary element p in E. What is the distance from p to the other points in E?

You're right, not sure what I was thinking there.

Yes, as I looked at it again I just reached that conclusion before I saw your response. I suppose I overlooked that because it's so obvious!

Is it as simple as picking any q in E? Then q is in X and d(p,q)<M for all p in E.

Thanks!
 
Doesn't work if E is empty though, so you want to treat that in a special case.
 
micromass said:
Doesn't work if E is empty though, so you want to treat that in a special case.

Ah, of course.

Thanks for your help!
 

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