Boundedness of a Quadratic Form

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The discussion focuses on determining the bounds of the quadratic form H_0 = x^2 + y^2 + 2axy based on the parameter a. It is noted that for |a|<1, H_0 represents a sum of two positive squares, indicating that both x and y are bounded. Conversely, for |a|>1, the presence of a positive and a negative square allows for unbounded values of x and y. The participants explore rewriting H_0 in a different form to gain insights into its properties, but struggle to derive explicit bounds for x and y in terms of H_0. Ultimately, the conversation highlights the complexity of establishing boundedness based on the value of a.
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Given:
H_0 = x^2 + y^2 + 2axy

How does one go about finding the bounds on x and y, based on a? The author of a book I'm reading says that bounds are simple to show based on the different conditions |a|<1, |a|>1, or |a|=1. Unfortunately, I'm not finding it so simple, except for the |a|=1 case. Could someone at least point me in the right direction?

Thanks
 
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thegreenlaser said:
Given:
H_0 = x^2 + y^2 + 2axy

How does one go about finding the bounds on x and y, based on a? The author of a book I'm reading says that bounds are simple to show based on the different conditions |a|<1, |a|>1, or |a|=1. Unfortunately, I'm not finding it so simple, except for the |a|=1 case. Could someone at least point me in the right direction?

Thanks
Hmm. Does it help to write H0 as

\alpha(x+y)^2 + \beta(x-y)^2

?
 
pmsrw3 said:
Hmm. Does it help to write H0 as

\alpha(x+y)^2 + \beta(x-y)^2

?

I'm trying that now. It turns out to be:

\frac{1}{2}(1+a)(x+y)^2 + \frac{1}{2} (1-a)(x-y)^2

I have yet to see if that helps me in any way.

Also, just in case it was a little ambiguous in my first post, the goal is to find out whether if H0 is bounded then x and y are bounded as well. If they are bounded, I need to know how they're bounded in terms of H0
 
In your OP, you said you were trying to find bounds on x and y. Does that mean that H0 is a fixed number (presumably >0)?
 
^Just edited that in my last post. Yes, sorry, that was a little unclear.
 
Ah! In that case, I think the answer is clear. If |a|<1, then you have a sum of two positive squares. Obviously those are both going to be bounded, and that will bound x and y. If |a|>1, you have a positive and a negative square, and you can make one as big as you like as long as you compensate by making the other big, too.
 
pmsrw3 said:
Ah! In that case, I think the answer is clear. If |a|<1, then you have a sum of two positive squares. Obviously those are both going to be bounded, and that will bound x and y. If |a|>1, you have a positive and a negative square, and you can make one as big as you like as long as you compensate by making the other big, too.

That does make sense. Thanks!

Now is there any way to do that quantitatively? i.e. Can we bound x and y directly in terms of H0?

EDIT:
Breaking it into it's H_0 =\frac{1}{2}(1+a)(x+y)^2 + \frac{1}{2} (1-a)(x-y)^2 form did give me a lot of useful information about where the zeroes are and where it's positive/negative, but I still haven't coaxed any boundedness info out of it.
 
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