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Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are currently the leading candidates for the 2016 presidential election, with their character and qualifications being significant issues among voters. The crowded field includes 36 declared Republican candidates and 19 declared Democratic candidates, with many others considering runs. Major topics of discussion include nationalism versus internationalism and the stability of the nation-state system versus global governance. Recent polls show Trump as the front-runner, although his support has decreased, while Carly Fiorina has gained traction following strong debate performances. The election cycle is characterized as unusual, with many candidates and shifting public opinions on key issues.
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http://news.yahoo.com/trump-cruz-battle-iowa-republican-civil-war-brews-181713565.html

Cruz has portrayed Trump as an unscrupulous businessman who favors seizing private property so his casinos can thrive. The senator accuses the tycoon of being an opportunist with no real attachment to conservative values.
The rest of the Republican party has watched amazed, powerless and divided as the anti-establishment candidates have powered along, with party leaders seemingly unable to contain them.
"Trump is a philosophically unmoored political opportunist who would trash the broad conservative ideological consensus within the GOP in favor of a free-floating populism with strong-man overtones," it said in a biting lead editorial.
. . . .
The broadside triggered an angry response from the Republican National Committee, which disinvited the National Review from being a partner of the party's candidate debate on February 25.
:rolleyes:
 
  • #63
A rather breathless CNN reporter at a Republican Iowa caucus pointed out an apparently huge, record turnout at the site.
He showed a long line of people waiting to change party or vote for the first time. He deemed this critical, and said he interviewed some who switched parties to vote for Trump and some to vote against Trump. :DD

If that's true, it could be good news for Bernie. And Rubio?
 
  • #66
I'm looking at the totals for the caucus votes.

Code:
Hillary Clinton  51.15%  665
Bernie Sanders   49.32%  654
Martin O'Malley   0.53%    7

Total                   1326
92.5% reporting
Even if Clinton wins by a handful of votes, they are statistically tied.
Where are the democrats?

Compared to the Republican caucus vote
Code:
Ted Cruz         27.70%   50,794
Donald Trump     24.30%   44,561
Marco Rubio      23.07%   42,294
Ben Carson        9.31%   17,074
Rand Paul         4.51%    8,263
Jeb Bush          2.80%    5,132
Carly Fiorina     1.86%    3,419
John Kasich       1.86%    3,414
Mike Huckabee     1.79%    3,276
Chris Christie    1.76%    3,233
Rick Santorum     0.96%    1,761
                        
Total                    183,221
                        
97.3% reporting
 
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Looks like the democrats may be happy with either candidate. Where are the Democratic candidates?
 
  • #68
So Ted "Awaken the body of Christ!" Cruz has won Iowa, and the polls were off well beyond the percentage of error. I think Ted had the best ground game and team for dealing with the caucus state of Iowa. Kudos to him, a smart and revolutionary man.

Trump has had a moment of clarity to reflect upon his errors and shortcomings.

Rubio has clearly won the backing of the establishment, for all the good and ill that portends.

Dr. Carson is still a strong player.

Rand Paul emerges in a clear 5th, still a player. He's my man!

Jeb Bush. Spent more than all the rest combined, but will he give up?
 
  • #69
Astronuc said:
I'm looking at the totals for the caucus votes.
Evo said:
Looks like the democrats may be happy with either candidate. Where are the Democratic candidates?
As a foreigner to your politics, I found it quite surprising to see the difference in totals between Democrats and Republicans. Does any of you have an idea of why so few Democrats decided to vote in this caucus, or am I missing an obvious point? Judging by the marginal difference between Sanders and Clinton, one would perhaps expect a higher turnout.

Or is the population of Democrats in Iowa simply very, very small?
 
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Krylov said:
As a foreigner to your politics, I found it quite surprising to see the difference in totals between Democrats and Republicans. Does any of you have an idea of why so few Democrats decided to vote in this caucus, or am I missing an obvious point? Judging by the marginal difference between Sanders and Clinton, one would perhaps expect a higher turnout.

Or is the population of Democrats in Iowa simply very, very small?
The Democrats don't count voters in Iowa, but ... something else:
New York Times said:
The vote totals for the Iowa Democratic Party are State Delegate Equivalents, which represent the estimated number of state convention delegates that the candidates would have, based on the caucus results. At the county level, The Associated Press inflates numbers by 100, as state delegate equivalent numbers for some candidates are often very small fractions.

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/20...region=span-abc-region&WT.nav=span-abc-region
 
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  • #71
Samy_A said:
The Democrats don't count voters in Iowa, but ... something else:
You are again correct, it is almost scary. Next time I cannot find my house keys, I will ask you to tell me where they are.

It seems a bit curious to me that apparently the raw totals are not mentioned (available?) for the Democrats in Iowa.
 
  • #72
Krylov said:
It seems a bit curious to me that apparently the raw totals are not mentioned (available?) for the Democrats in Iowa.
Very strange indeed. I found a total on the website of the Iowa Democratic party: 171,109 voters in total. Not a very transparent process.
 
  • #73
Krylov said:
As a foreigner to your politics, I found it quite surprising to see the difference in totals between Democrats and Republicans. Does any of you have an idea of why so few Democrats decided to vote in this caucus, or am I missing an obvious point? Judging by the marginal difference between Sanders and Clinton, one would perhaps expect a higher turnout.

Or is the population of Democrats in Iowa simply very, very small?

Iowa has a very convoluted system for Democrats. The numbers reflected in the earlier post don't show how many voted for each candidate, but the number of voters is small simply because it's hard to vote (relative to a primary). You have to be available for the full evening and you have to interact with other people at the caucus, etc.

What the numbers from the previous post do show is how many delegates for each candidate move on to the next phase. That's a pretty good indication of how the candidate did, but delegates don't have to vote for the candidate they were selected to represent. There's various reasons they might change their support to a different candidate, with one being their candidate may no longer be in the race by time the delegates meet (which is in March).

After the second phase, a final phase is done to divvy up who gets how many out of 44 delegates.

Besides the delegates that were voted on, there are 8 superdelegates (party office holders, etc) that can vote how they feel. They're not officially committed to any candidate until the convention late in the summer, but most will have at least verbally committed to one candidate or the other. This year, 5 of the superdelegates have already committed to Clinton. Assuming they honor that commitment, she wins Iowa simply by matching Sanders in the delegates "voted" on.

Which partly explains why Clinton is proclaiming victory even though the vote totals look like a tie to the average person.

The actual winner won't be known with 100% certainty for months (at which point it won't matter anymore).

This is somewhat similar to how most states selected delegates in the old days, when the party leadership pretty much selected the party's nominee. TV has made the process more democratic simply because primaries can be exciting and suspenseful and make for good ratings on TV. And lots of TV viewers generates excitement for a party's candidate, which improves his/her chances in the general election.

As to who won, there were about 5 victory speeches between the two parties, so it looks like there were lots of winners. Cruz definitely won. Coming out of Iowa, he holds a commanding lead of 1 delegate over Trump and Rubio. Clinton definitely is winning Iowa, since I think she leads by about 4 or 5 or 6 (you never know for sure until they're actually selected) with only 3 superdelegates left to make up their minds.
 
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  • #74
Dotini said:
So Ted "Awaken the body of Christ!" Cruz has won Iowa, and the polls were off well beyond the percentage of error. I think Ted had the best ground game and team for dealing with the caucus state of Iowa. Kudos to him, a smart and revolutionary man.

Trump has had a moment of clarity to reflect upon his errors and shortcomings.

Rubio has clearly won the backing of the establishment, for all the good and ill that portends.

Dr. Carson is still a strong player.

Rand Paul emerges in a clear 5th, still a player. He's my man!

Jeb Bush. Spent more than all the rest combined, but will he give up?

Rubio only has the backing of the "establishment" until New Hampshire. He has a fight to beat out Kasich. The Bush campaign has more money than the other establishment candidates for the primaries past New Hampshire. The only thing Iowa has really done for Rubio is to increase his chances of raising money (which is pretty darn important). If Kasich wins New Hampshire and starts attracting money as well, then there might not be a consensus "establishment" candidate. But I agree that Bush has to show something pretty quickly. Personally, I think Bush doing poorly in New Hampshire is more important to Rubio than whether Rubio beats Kasich. Christie's only real hope is to climb over the bones of Rubio, Bush, and Kasich after they've devoured each other. Christie sounds good on TV, but he hasn't done the ground work the other candidates have.

Iowa is probably Carson's best performance and probably the only state where he finishes in double digits percentage wise.

Paul will hang there quite a while. Given the race has resembled something dreamed up by the Onion so far, hanging around long enough for the improbable to happen...

I agree that Cruz is the smartest candidate in the field. I'd never vote for him because I believe he'll try to do the things he says he's going to do, but he is smart.
 
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  • #76
bballwaterboy said:
Is it possible for him to win so late in the game?

What are his major policy positions?
One can find some background on Bloomberg's website - http://www.mikebloomberg.com/

One could try - http://www.ontheissues.org/Mike_Bloomberg.htm - which has some statements related to various topics

I think some folks think it is too late for Bloomberg who has expressed presidential aspirations for the last decade or so.

In the current cycle - NY Times report
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/24/n...ing-revisits-a-potential-white-house-run.html
 
  • #77
Certainly the next president will have a lot on the foreign policy plate: Iraq and Syria, Libya, Afghanistan/Pakistan, Iran, Russia, China, EU, . . . .

http://news.yahoo.com/iowa-couple-christie-talks-voted-rubio-080824142--election.html Jeff Ashcraft, Iowa voter: "I would suggest that New Hampshire voters take a look at every single one of the candidates, and do what Gov. Christie said: Get all the information they can, and listen to their hearts," he said. "I'd go further and say, also listen to your head, and marry the two together to make a decision."

Good advice. There is hope.
 
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Astronuc said:
There is hope.
Hope starts with the contenders. You can't expect excellent outcomes from picking the best rotten apple from the basket.
 
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Greg Bernhardt said:
Hope starts with the contenders. You can't expect excellent outcomes from picking the best rotten apple from the basket.
I was thinking in terms of the voters, not the candidates.

The next president will have a lot of full plates: foreign policy, global and national security, the US (particularly income/wealth disparity) and global economics, energy policy (including climate change), healthcare, and education just to name some.
 
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Astronuc said:
I was thinking in terms of the voters, not the candidates.
Right, but I'm saying it doesn't matter how well the voters weigh their options when the options aren't good.
 
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BobG said:
I agree that Cruz is the smartest candidate in the field. I'd never vote for him because I believe he'll try to do the things he says he's going to do, but he is smart.
Can you list those things? I'm trying to find a candidate other than Hilary and Sanders that doesn't scare the bejeezus out of me, and I thought Cruz was least scary since the other candidates are criticising him for not being religious enough.
 
  • #82
I don't have much information, but if Rand Paul is much like his dad, that's a good thing.. I really enjoyed watching speeches of Ron's, and the Jon Stewart commentary of the media completely and deliberately not mentioning him.

I think if the Republicans choose a candidate that isn't too right wing they have a good shot at the election regardless of if they're against Clinton or Sanders. From what I see (outside looking in?), the right and the left are in a race to see who can be more extreme, and in my opinion, this only leads to band-aide solutions, policies that are draconian, and uncertainty in everything, including the economy... Trump epitomizes this, and for that reason I find him extremely dangerous, and should he be the Republican candidate I think he will scare many moderate republicans to either not vote or to vote *gasp* for the Democrats.

I wish I had the bandwidth to watch some of the debates.
 
  • #83
Greg Bernhardt said:
Hope starts with the contenders. You can't expect excellent outcomes from picking the best rotten apple from the basket.
In your opinion, are both the Republican and the Democrat baskets filled with rotten apples? (Not a trick question, I'm really curious what moderate Americans think of their candidates.)
 
  • #84
Both.
 
  • #85
Potential New Hampshire spoiler Kasich could pose threat to Rubio
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-kasich-idUSMTZSAPEC277BZMJY

among New Hampshire voters, a Monmouth University poll released on Sunday found Kasich at 14 percent, compared with 30 percent for Trump and 13 percent for Rubio and former Florida Governor Jeb Bush.

Reflecting Bystander's comment:
Tim Vanblommesteyn, 62, who attended the Kasich town hall in Concord, said he was “disgusted” with both political parties but liked some of what the Ohio governor had to say.
 
  • #87
Rx7man said:
if Rand Paul is much like his dad, that's a good thing.

Rand Paul dropped out of the race last week after the Iowa caucus.

Right now, the Associated Press tally on the Democratic side (by way of the BBC) shows the first four finishers as Sanders, Clinton, O'Malley, and... drum roll... Vermin Supreme :wideeyed:, followed by 24 other candidates; those guys must have been write-ins.
 
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Astronuc said:
Results from the 2016 New Hampshire primary
http://graphics.latimes.com/election-2016-new-hampshire-results/

Trump and Sanders have solid leads.

John Kasich came in 2nd in the republican primary.
Trump and Sanders, both riding the back of populist nationalism, have swept aside the establishment in New Hampshire.
 
  • #89
Hard to see why Christie or Fiorina would bother to stay in the race now. Fiorina has always been nothing but a footnote but Christie could have had a chance, maybe, or at least it's easy to see how he and his supporters could have thought so, but now ... ?

Amazing the way Trump continues to defy political gravity.
 
  • #90
I think the main reason Trump looks so good is that the "establishment" candidates have been fragmenting their support. The CNN results page for NH shows:

45% "Establishment" (Kasich + Bush + Rubio + Christie)
35% Trump
12% Cruz
 

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