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Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are currently the leading candidates for the 2016 presidential election, with their character and qualifications being significant issues among voters. The crowded field includes 36 declared Republican candidates and 19 declared Democratic candidates, with many others considering runs. Major topics of discussion include nationalism versus internationalism and the stability of the nation-state system versus global governance. Recent polls show Trump as the front-runner, although his support has decreased, while Carly Fiorina has gained traction following strong debate performances. The election cycle is characterized as unusual, with many candidates and shifting public opinions on key issues.
  • #361
lisab said:
What makes you think labor unions are planning mob violence? Source, please.

The organized and funded protesters at Trump rallies.

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http://cleveland.craigslist.org/npo/5469737201.html

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/13/moveonorg-raising-funds-from-trump-protests-warns-/

time will tell.
 
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  • #362
mheslep said:
Whats wrong with ten guys or a thousand guys opposing Trump? Why don't they have a say?

This isn't a thousand guys at a football game cheering the away team.. It's the referees moving the goal lines .

mheslep said:
Again, Trump wins half the delegates, like every other nominee for the last half century, and he's the nominee, the end.
If that's the rules, fine. Do you change the rules because your guy isn't winning ?

I provided links stating that's being considered.
Dismiss them if you don't like them.

Time will tell.
 
  • #364
jim hardy said:

But there is nothing about Work America or MoveOn.org funding protests at Trump rallies. It's possible that either do, but neither link provides any evidence.

It looks like Work America is an advocacy group (activism and community organizing). Working America explains what they do:
Working America organizes crucial issue and electoral campaigns at the national, state and municipal level on behalf of working families. Our highly successful outreach models have raised the minimum wage in New Mexico, won a much needed earned sick day law for workers in Portland, OR and a new law preventing wage theft in Houston, TX was just passed unanimously by mobilizing members to pressure city council (to name a few).

From the Washington Times, " MoveOn.org is quoted as writing, “We’re being flooded with aggressive emails and social media posts from Trump supporters. Some of them are threatening."
 
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Astronuc said:
But there is nothing about Work America or MoveOn.org funding protests at Trump rallies. It's possible that either do, but neither link provides any evidence.

It looks like Work America is an advocacy group (activism and community organizing). Working America explains what they do:From the Washington Times, " MoveOn.org is quoted as writing, “We’re being flooded with aggressive emails and social media posts from Trump supporters. Some of them are threatening."
Jim Hardy seems to have been caught up in a conspiracy theory:
http://www.snopes.com/craigslist-ad-trump-rally/
Currently there is no proof there is any such conspiracy.
 
  • #366
zoobyshoe said:
Jim Hardy seems to have been caught up in a conspiracy theory:
http://www.snopes.com/craigslist-ad-trump-rally/
Currently there is no proof there is any such conspiracy.

Hmmm. That possibility cannot be denied. I'll move on.

If this stays peaceful i'll have to eat my words.
http://www.democracyspring.org/
The moment is ripe. Poll after poll shows transpartisan public frustration with the corrupt status quo reaching new, nearly unanimous highs. Voters in Maine and Seattle just passed bold new anti-corruption laws to enact citizen funded elections. A growing democracy movement has lifted this issue into the public debate. Yet Congress refuses to act.

The stage is set for a bold intervention to turn the tinder of passive public frustration into a fire that transforms the political climate in America, that sparks a popular movement that can't be stopped. How?From Selma to Occupy Wall Street, the Tar Sands Action to Black Lives Matter, everyday people have proven the power of mass, escalating nonviolent action to rapidly shift the political weather and open the door to reforms previously considered impossible.

Now it's our turn.
http://www.aflcio.org/About/Exec-Council/EC-Statements/The-2016-Democracy-Spring-Awakening-and-Congress-of-Conscience
This April (11th-18th) in Washington, D.C., and across the country, thousands of working people, advocates and activists will be united under the banner of more than 200 labor, civil rights, human rights and environmental organizations as part of two waves of activism: the Democracy Spring (www.democracyspring.org) and the Democracy Awakening/Congress of Conscience (www.democracyawakening.org).
 
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Dembadon said:
Forgive me, I don't find this dubious article convincing. I don't see anything in there saying Trump is going to be robbed of a legitimate nomination at the convention. That article looks like an out-of-context discussion about the upcoming primaries in Florida and Ohio, which are now over.

The question was
jim hardy said:
Did you hear William Kristol say he'd rather lose to Hillary ?
http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...-give-white-house-hillary-trump-shouldnt-win/
and this is the first paragraph of the link:
In order to defeat Donald Trump, The Weekly Standard’s Bill Kristol admits he is prepared to hand Hillary Clinton the Oval Office. On Wednesday’s “Morning Joe,” the Republican Establishment leader laid out his plot to deprive Trump of the 50% of delegates necessary to secure the nomination. From there, the idea is to go into a brokered convention and cut a kamikaze deal that awards enough delegates to an “acceptable” candidate (who will have won far fewer votes, states, and delegates than Trump).

I understand Brietbart is controversial
is CNN more palatable ?
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/17/politics/donald-trump-hill-republicans-conservatives/index.html
(CNN)Prominent conservatives led by Erick Erickson on Thursday called for a unity ticket and a convention fight to stop Republican front-runner Donald Trump, a sign of the growing desperation in the party establishment to find an alternative to the billionaire businessman.

"If that unity ticket is unable to get 1,237 delegates prior to the convention, we recognize that it took Abraham Lincoln three ballots at the Republican convention in 1860 to become the party's nominee and if it is good enough for Lincoln, that process should be good enough for all the candidates without threats of riots," Erickson wrote in a statement after conservatives gathered in Washington to discuss ways to thwart Trump's march to the nomination.
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The group left the door open to potentially supporting a third party race if Republicans are unable to stop Trump.

"We intend to keep our options open as to other avenues to oppose Donald Trump," the statement said.

www.cnn.com/2016/03/16/politics/primary-results-republican-party/index.html
"He is not Superman" who can only be destroyed "by kryptonite," Singer said, according to several sources who heard the call and provided previously undisclosed details to CNN.

Singer and members of the Ricketts family — among the first top donors to get behind the anti-Trump effort — believed the "real" Donald Trump had not been unmasked to the American public. They had to make an impact by March 15 to unravel a brand Trump had been building for decades, but they felt the facts were on their side
Joining Singer's plea for an unrelenting assault portraying Trump as the self-serving foe of "the little guy" was Hewlett-Packard Chief Executive Meg Whitman. Trump, she said forcefully, was driving an agenda of "hate and intolerance" that demonstrated he was unfit to be president.
Sound fair and balanced to you?

Now i realize
Electors are the constitutional "check and balance" on us masses, on democracy run amuck.

James Madison - “Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have, in general, been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.”

John Adams - “Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.”

So, using Delegates and Electors assures a representative republic with democratic input.

Ostensibly the RNC feels it necessary to assert its power to check and protect us ignorant masses from ourselves by stopping Trump.
Obviously a lot of us masses feel the RNC is disingenuous, is protecting its donor class, and ought instead to acknowledge 'we the voters' preference by nominating the winner of the primary elections.

What will RNC do ?
Whatever, it must have the appearance of respectability.

Same drama might well play out in Electoral College, which exists for the same reason.
It is there to protect the masses from a "Pied Piper", and to protect small states from large ones.
(Heaven Help us if a few more states pass "National Popular Vote" which undoes those electoral college protections)

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http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/17/news/companies/cisco-ceo-hillary-clinton-john-kasich/index.html

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/topoftheticket/la-na-tt-rubio-and-reagan-20160315-story.html
By David Horsey • Contact Reporter

I don't think the headline, "Republican Party rejects Marco Rubio and the spirit of Ronald Reagan" isn't quite accurate. Some certainly rejected Rubio in favor of Trump, Cruz, Kasich and others, but the party is splintered. Yet some still favor Rubio.

Horsey writes, "Of all of the 17 Republican candidates who mounted campaigns in the last year, Rubio, arguably, was the most Reaganesque. Like Reagan, Rubio is a doctrine-driven movement conservative."
One of Rubio’s biggest demerits in the eyes of much of his party is that he was part of the Senate’s “Gang of Eight” who crafted a compromise immigration reform bill that would have provided a path to legalization for millions of undocumented immigrants now living in the country. Even though Rubio eventually disavowed the bill, the anti-immigrant forces who love Trump never relented in their attacks.
I think Rubio lost support from colleagues in his backtracking on a bill in which he was initially involved.
 
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Kasich on a brokered convention: ‘Everybody chill!’
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/kasich-brokered-convention-chill-183023670.html

“I don’t think anybody is going to get there with the delegates that they need to win,” the Ohio governor said on CBS’s “Face the Nation” on Sunday. “So, let’s just everybody chill out.”

Kasich, with 143 delegates, trails GOP frontrunner Donald Trump (678) and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz (423) in the race for the 1,237 delegates needed to secure the Republican nomination. Florida Sen. Marco Rubio — who suspended his campaign after losing the primary in his home state — has 169.
Interesting commentary from Kasich, although I disagree with his assessment of Reagan.

I do think that Kasich is the most presidential of the GOP group.
 
  • #370
Ugh.

This election is making me dizzy and nauseous.
 
  • #371
Clinton edges closer to nomination with Arizona win
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/clinton-edges-closer-to-nomination-with-arizona-033001123.html

In Arizona, with 81% of precincts reporting:
Clinton 58.4% 225,341
Sanders 39.1% 150,692
Hillary Clinton continued her march toward the Democratic presidential nomination with a win over Sen. Bernie Sanders, D-Vt., in the coveted Arizona primary on Tuesday evening.

Sanders was projected to win the Utah and Idaho caucuses.

Clinton came into Tuesday ahead of Sanders by more than 300 delegates, after winning all five states that voted on March 15. Her existing delegate lead is so big, he would have to win all remaining contests with at least 60 percent of the vote to overtake her. Any loss, or victory with a smaller margin, puts Sanders farther behind.

Sanders wins in Idaho
Sanders 78.0% 18,640
Clinton 21.2% 5,065

Sanders is ahead in Utah.
 
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I originally supported Sanders, but it looks like he won't be winning the Democratic primaries. His campaign has really taken flight with young, white, male and educated voters, but he's failed to expand his base.

Bernie, particularly, had difficulty getting black (and other non-white) voters for the following reasons. First, he only reached out to urban blacks but there are also rural/suburban/evangelical which he ignored. Second, he falsely assumed that most black voters are as liberal as white college student activists. Third, he's only been traveling to black neighborhoods since last year while his opponent has been doing it for decades. Fourth and most important, many black voters want a candidate who is consistent and can get things done. I'm sure plenty of politicians visit black areas and make huge promises, only for those promises to never materialize. Sanders needed more time. Considering his unknown status, he should have campaigned a year earlier than he did.
 
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On the Republican side, it looks like Trump is the clear winner. Cruz won't win Independent voters, plain and simple. Kasich could possibly have been a competent president but he started gaining momentum way too late. Carson was inexperienced and seemed exhausted the whole race. Rubio probably has a future, but his youth and inexperience resulted in several mistakes which hurt his campaign. Jeb was done in by his last name and general cluelessness. Christie was a sharp debater but not presidential material. Rand Paul had a limited base of supporters. Fiorina was smart but there's a double standard on women candidates. What I'm essentially saying is that Trump is winning because the competition was terrible and because there was so much pent up frustration in the GOP base. The Republicans lost 4 out of the past 6 presidential elections, and when they won them, they got George W. Bush. Trump was eager to capitalize on this.
 
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As an independent (who is liberal by American standards ; centrist by European standards), I have a tough time this election if I'm going to choose between the two major candidates, since it's very likely that Bernie Sanders won't win.

I would say I agree with more of Hillary's policies, since I am more liberal. At the same time, I relate to Trump's anti-establishment message and I feel like we need to get the lobbyists and Super PACs out of politics. Here's the downsides. Trump is dense on policy and is effectively fueled by the neo-KKK. But Hillary voted for Iraq War (which vastly outweighed any good that came out of her career).
 
  • #376
Derek Francis said:
Trump is dense on policy and is effectively fueled by the neo-KKK.
Back that opinion?
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

I worry Hillary will out-neocon the neocons.
http://www.cfr.org/radicalization-and-extremism/hillary-clinton-national-security-islamic-state/p37266
And to support this campaign, Congress should swiftly pass an updated authorization to use military force. That will send a message to friend and foe alike that the United States is committed to this fight. The time for delay is over. We should get this done.
Actually that was a pretty good speech,
though here's an opposing opinion
oops - forgot to link it
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/03/no_author/queen-chaos/
MÓC: If the so-called “responsibility to protect,” or R2P, is to be the organizing principle of Hillary’s foreign policy, can you explain why this would be bad for human rights around the world?

DJ: The Libyan disaster proved to most of the world—although not to Hillary—that R2P is a dangerous doctrine. Supposedly to “protect” certain Islamist rebels in Benghazi, the NATO R2P intervention totally destroyed the modern city of Sirte, provided cover for a racist lynching of Libya’s black population, killed thousands of civilians and left the country in a shambles.

R2P might make sense if there really existed a neutral, all-knowing world police force to intervene on the basis of solid, unbiased evidence. This is most surely not the case

In the case of Libya, the evidence for the “humanitarian emergency” was manufactured by internal opponents of the regime and relayed to the world by a docile mainstream media. It was almost entirely untrue, but conflicting sources were ignored. (See Maximilian Forte, Slouching Towards Sirte: NATO’s War on Libya and Africa.)

With the current relationship of forces in the world, R2P can only be applied by a great power to a smaller one, according to the great power’s own interpretation of events in the smaller one. In reality, R2P is simply used by the United States against regimes it doesn’t like, period.

The CFR speech i first cited calls for that " neutral, all-knowing world police force ... " led of course by US.

Sounds fine on paper.

I'm in the 'US needs to quit trying to run the world' camp.

my two cents, and probably overpriced...

old jim
 
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For several months into his campaign, Trump didn't even have any platforms on his web page. Just one saying he was in favor of the 2nd amendment and that's it. I'm glad his policy advisors wrote down his positions for him, but as we've seen him in the interviews and debates, he tends to struggle when pressed on details of his plans. Typically, he either says a cute quote, insults people or changes the subject. And even by his own volition, he rarely gets into policy specifics. Also, he unveiled his list of 5 foreign policy advisors last week and that's pretty sparse too. At least Kasich had a long list of experts on foreign policy who endorsed him.
 
  • #378
Derek Francis said:
... But Hillary voted for Iraq War (which vastly outweighed any good that came out of her career).

Trump might well have too. Three months before the invasion, he was asked about Bush and Iraq. You decide:

"Well, he has either got to do something or not do something, perhaps, because perhaps shouldn't be doing it yet and perhaps we should be waiting for the United Nations, you know. He's under a lot of pressure. I think he's doing a very good job. But, of course, if you look at the polls, a lot of people are getting a little tired. I think the Iraqi situation is a problem. And I think the economy is a much bigger problem as far as the president is concerned."

Source Politifac
 
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  • #381
Derek Francis said:
I feel like we need to get the lobbyists ... out of politics.
The first amendment of the US Constitution establishes our right to lobby our government. It's important and I wouldn't want it changed. Not all lobbyists are bad.
 
  • #382
Dembadon said:
Not all lobbyists are bad.

What are your thoughts on the ones who practice influence-peddling and bribery ?
 
  • #384
Trump baited Cruz, and he fell for it.
 
  • #385
Derek Francis said:
Trump baited Cruz, and he fell for it.
Yes, how very presidential of them both. The Republican Party is SUCH fun this year. Too bad it's so serious in the long run.
 
  • #386
The faults of the media (the negativity, dirty laundry, personal attacks) haven't been any more apparent than in this election cycle.

With candidates like John Kasich and Bernie Sanders, there isn't enough negative publicity on them, so they've barely gotten news coverage.
 
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Derek Francis said:
The faults of the media (the negativity, dirty laundry, personal attacks) haven't been any more apparent than in this election cycle.

With candidates like John Kasich and Bernie Sanders, there isn't enough negative publicity on them, so they've barely gotten news coverage.
Yes, it's a serious problem with our "24-hour news cycle" that a cretin like Trump gets allmost all of the attention and a very reasonable candidate like Kasich, who actually talks about the issues, gets little attention.
 
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jim hardy said:
What are your thoughts on the ones who practice influence-peddling and bribery ?
I wish they wouldn't? Not sure what you're after here.
 
  • #389
There's a line between speech, advocacy and corruption.

For example, the same prescriptions that cost $60/month in Canada cost $1200/month in the United States. I could believe that Congress just makes a conscious decision that this isn't a problem. But Occam's razor would suggest that pharmaceutical lobbyists are getting their way.
 
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Derek Francis said:
For example, the same prescriptions that cost $60/month in Canada cost $1200/month in the United States. I could believe that Congress just makes a conscious decision that this isn't a problem. But Occam's razor would suggest that pharmaceutical lobbyists are getting their way.
Pharma is included in health... and is bulk of it.
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most recent number i saw is Pharma was 238million out of health's 503million in 2015
https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/indusclient.php?id=H04&year=2015
 

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