Buidling this circuit Drawdio (again)

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The discussion revolves around building the "Drawdio" circuit, focusing on troubleshooting issues related to sound output and component connections. Participants explore circuit design, component behavior, and testing methodologies, with references to specific components like the 555 timer and 551 chip.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the circuit's battery voltage is incorrectly shown and suggests grounding the negative end while connecting the positive to specific chip pins.
  • Another participant mentions that pin 3 should not connect directly to the transistor bases and recommends using a resistor of at least 4.7 K.
  • Frequency concerns are raised, with a suggestion to replace a capacitor to lower the frequency from about 3.4 KHz to approximately 500 Hz.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about needing a resistor when using a 1.5-volt supply with the 551 chip and questions the effect of voltage on the fill rate of R/C circuits.
  • Reference to a data sheet for the 551 is provided, indicating that the equations are similar to those for the 555 timer, and a resistor of at least 1 K is recommended for safety.
  • One participant shares a realization that the circuit was functioning all along, attributing the previous lack of output to improper handling of the wires.

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Participants express various viewpoints on circuit connections and component specifications, with no consensus reached on the best approach to troubleshooting or design. Multiple competing views on resistor necessity and frequency adjustments remain unresolved.

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Participants reference specific component behaviors and circuit configurations, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the impact of voltage on circuit performance and the exact requirements for component connections.

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Buidling this circuit "Drawdio" (again)

I was trying to build this circuit. http://ladyada.net/make/drawdio/drawdiosch.png

I THOUGHT I had it together, but the only sound it makes is when I break/ make the connection continuously. I did notice that on the 10K resistor, there is little (>1ohm) resistance on it, which I suppose is fine, because its on a transistor in there?

Other than having someone more competent inspect the circuit, what mistakes might one readily make which would cause that?

Oh and thanks for any help.
 
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The battery voltage on that circuit is shown incorrectly. It should be shown with the negative end grounded and the positive end going to pins 4 and 8 of the chip. You might need a new chip if the voltage has been wrong.

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Pin 3 should not go directly to the bases of the transistors. Try at least 4.7 K there.

The frequency should be about 3.4 KHz which is probably too high. If you put a 0.0047 uF capacitor at C instead of the 680 pF, the frequency would be about 500 Hz.

Here is a calculator for working out the frequency:
http://freespace.virgin.net/matt.waite/resource/handy/pinouts/555/index.htm

Check the 10 K resistor again. It really should measure 10 K, out of circuit.
 
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To be safe I should mention this: I am using a 1.5 volt with a 551. Do I still need a resistor?

Being the cautious type, I like to build very simple circuits to test components. I have a soldered 555 tester, and a bread boarded tone generator to test my speaker. Hence, I would like to build a tester for the 551. However, when I looked up the behaviour of R/C circuits, wikipidia threw differential equations at me which I know nothing of. I was going to use that calculator to design one; does the voltage have any effect on the fill rate?
 


I found a data sheet for the 551:
http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tlc551.pdf

The equations in it look like the ones for the 555. So, the 555 calculator will probably give you ballpark figures for the frequency.

Yes, you need a resistor. At least 1 K.
As a general rule, you never put semiconductor junctions directly across a power supply, even in series and even 1.5 volts.

The first step would be to get it working on some frequency and then modify the values for whatever frequency you want.

If your 555 tester has a socket for the chip, you could put this 551 in it to see if it is still working. They work with a supply from 1 to 15 volts and the pin connections are the same.
 


HaHa! It was working the whole time - I was just gripping the wires on the ends so lightly the output was nill!

Oh and thanks for the advice. That really helps to understand the 555, in my mind. Besides, I learned how to test transistors in the process.
 

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