Help with this circuit, please ( drawdio )

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The discussion centers around building a circuit known as "drawdio," which involves amplifiers and capacitors. Participants explore the types of amplifiers suitable for the circuit, the role of different capacitors, and the implications of using tantalum capacitors, particularly regarding ethical sourcing. The conversation includes technical details about circuit components and seeks additional learning resources.

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  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the type of amplifier needed for the circuit and questions the necessity of using a tantalum capacitor, raising ethical concerns about sourcing.
  • Another participant suggests that C4 and C2 are the only capacitors that need to be polar and mentions that electrolytic capacitors should suffice, while also correcting the use of C2, stating it should not be a polar capacitor in that position.
  • A different participant recommends "The Art of Electronics" as a valuable resource for learning about electronics.
  • One participant claims that no amplifier is needed since the circuit is designed to drive a speaker, asserting that the output of a 555 timer is already a square wave, making additional distortion irrelevant.
  • Another participant agrees that C2 can be a polarized capacitor due to the DC voltage but raises concerns about the reactive impedance of the speaker coil, indicating uncertainty about the implications of this choice.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity of an amplifier and the use of capacitors in specific positions. There is no consensus on the best approach to using tantalum capacitors or the implications of their sourcing.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note potential errors in the circuit design regarding capacitor usage, and there is ambiguity about the impact of using different types of capacitors on circuit performance.

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Help with this circuit, please... ("drawdio")

I was trying to build this circuit... http://www.ladyada.net/make/drawdio/design.html
however, I am unfamaliar with the amplifiers, as well as how different types of capacitors effect frequency. What 'kind' of amplifier should I be getting, and must I use a tantulum capacitor (and is there any way to ensure that this tantulum was not used to fund horrible exploitation of labour or civil war)? Also, if someone could be so kind as to give me links to generalised information, I suppose I could check wikipedia but that is sometimes hard to understand - that would be appreciated as well.

Thanks!
 
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k_squared said:
I was trying to build this circuit... http://www.ladyada.net/make/drawdio/design.html
however, I am unfamaliar with the amplifiers, as well as how different types of capacitors effect frequency. What 'kind' of amplifier should I be getting, and must I use a tantulum capacitor (and is there any way to ensure that this tantulum was not used to fund horrible exploitation of labour or civil war)? Also, if someone could be so kind as to give me links to generalised information, I suppose I could check wikipedia but that is sometimes hard to understand - that would be appreciated as well.

Thanks!

C4 and C2 are the only caps that need to be polar. Electrolytic caps should be fine. I didn't see mention of a tantalum cap, but could have missedit.

Also, C2's use is a bit of an error. You can't use a polar cap in a non-polar application like the C2 position. That should be two polar caps placed back-to-back, to form a non-polar cap of half the value.

And the output push-pull stage is kind of dorky, especially running off just a 1.5V power supply (less as the battery discharges). It's going to put out a very distorted signal...
 


And on your question of learning resources... I recommend that you check out the book "The Art of Electronics" by Horowitz and Hill. You will get a lot of value of out it. Check out a copy at your local technical library, or buy a copy from Amazon.com
 


You won't need any amplifier with this circuit as it is already intended to drive a speaker.

The output of a 555 is already a square wave, so extra distortion won't matter.

C2 can be a polarized capacitor because it has a DC voltage on it.

You can choose normal electrolytic or Tantalum. Tantalums are smaller and have lower leakage.
I don't know about the politics, but there is no way of knowing where the Tantalum comes from.
 


vk6kro said:
The output of a 555 is already a square wave, so extra distortion won't matter.
Ah, good point. The diagrams in the link suggested analog sine waves, but you're probably right since it's meant to be a 555-like IC.

vk6kro said:
C2 can be a polarized capacitor because it has a DC voltage on it.

Interesting. I think you are right about this as well, but I need to think about it WRT the reactive impedance of the speaker coil. But for an initial pull-down from quiescent center bias waveform, I'm still not sure. Seems like you could maybe get a bit of neg bias, but probably not or not much. Thanks vk6kro.
 

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