Cable rotations formulae or method

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The discussion revolves around calculating the stopping power of a rotating cable, particularly in the context of its ability to block projectiles. Participants explore theoretical aspects of cable dynamics, projectile motion, and the interaction between the two, with varying levels of technical detail.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a rotating wire can block projectiles, proposing to calculate its stopping power based on gauge and speed.
  • Another participant counters that there is a non-zero probability of a projectile passing through without collision, emphasizing the complexity of the interaction.
  • A historical reference is made to early aerial warfare techniques involving synchronization of gunfire and propeller rotation.
  • Further exploration of the timing of revolutions relative to projectile travel time is proposed, with a specific example of a 10 mph projectile and its dimensions.
  • A participant provides a calculation converting speed to proper units and discusses the implications of high revolution rates on collision likelihood.
  • Consideration of differential velocity is introduced, noting that the projectile's trajectory and the cable's rotation create varying probabilities of collision based on height and speed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of a rotating cable in blocking projectiles, with some proposing calculations and others highlighting the complexities and uncertainties involved. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions, such as the need to remove variables and the importance of defining conditions like the speed and length of the projectile. The discussion reflects a range of interpretations regarding the mechanics involved.

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Hello, and thank you for your time.

I observed a wire vibrating is good at blocking things trying to pass through their area.
for example a rope spinning around can stop a tennis ball thrown through that area.
obviously the speed of the rope allows it to "protect" an larger area than its gauge.

On this background, does anyone know how i could calculate the stopping power of
a cable rotating.

for example a 5mm gauge cable rotating at x speed and with enough slack to cover x amount of space could stop a projectile at x mph velocity.sorry if the question is poor as i have no engineering background.

any suggestions welcome.

thanks
 
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That does not work. For many realistic values you will have a non-zero probability that the particle gets through without a collision, and if it collides the motion afterwards depends on where exactly it hits and many other details that are hard to define in general.

If your rope makes one revolution in the time the projectile needs to travel its own length, then you will certainly get some collision.
 
this reminds me of back in the early days of aerial warfare where they finally figured out how to sync guns and propeller
so as to shoot through the prop without destroying it
 
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thank you for your reply mfb

davenn might be onto something there
if they can work out when to fire than surely the opposite of when not to fire is possible.

supposed we remove variables
"one revolution in the time the projectile needs to travel its own length"
also sounds interesting.
for example if an object travels at 10mph and is 10 cm long
how could i roughly work out the revolutions needed?

its at times like this i wish i were as smart as an engineer.
 
First you convert the 10mph to proper units: roughly 5m/s. It travels 10cm in 10cm/(5m/s) = 1/50s = 20ms.
If your string makes 50 revolutions per second (quite fast), it will certainly hit it in some way.
 
You must also consider the differential velocity. If the screen is like a skipping rope there will be two “walls” to pass through near the middle. But at either the top or bottom there will be a horizontal movement in the same direction as the projectile. That will allow the projectile to pass with a higher probability.
The probability profile plotted against against height of the object's trajectory will depend on length and speed of the projectile, along with the direction and rate of rotation of the wire generated “cage” of revolution.
 

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