Calc Challenge IV: Evaluate Limit of Int.

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The discussion centers around evaluating the limit of an integral, specifically $$\lim_{{k}\to{\infty}} \int_{k}^{2k} \frac{k^3x}{x^5+1}\,dx$$. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and problem-solving techniques related to limits and integrals.

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  • One participant presents the limit of the integral as a challenge to be solved.
  • Another participant acknowledges a solution using L'Hôpital's rule, describing it as neat and straightforward.
  • There is a playful exchange regarding solving the problem without L'Hôpital's rule, with one participant expressing a desire to see an alternative approach.
  • A later reply suggests a solution without using L'Hôpital's rule, although the details of this solution are not provided.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method to solve the limit, as there are multiple approaches discussed, including the use of L'Hôpital's rule and an alternative method that has yet to be detailed.

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Evaluate $$\lim_{{k}\to{\infty}} \int_{k}^{2k} \frac{k^3x}{x^5+1}\,dx$$.
 
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My solution:

I would write the limit as:

$$L=\lim_{k\to\infty}\left[\frac{\int_{k}^{2k}\dfrac{x}{x^5+1}}{k^{-3}}\right]$$

Observing that we have the indeterminate form 0/0, application of L'Hôpital's rule yields:

$$L=\lim_{k\to\infty}\left[\frac{\dfrac{k}{k^5+1}-\dfrac{4k}{32k^2+1}}{3k^{-4}}\right]$$

This can be simplified to:

$$L=\frac{1}{3}\lim_{k\to\infty}\left[\frac{k^5\left(28k^5-3\right)}{\left(32k^5+1\right)\left(k^5+1\right)}\right]=\frac{1}{3}\cdot\frac{28}{32}=\frac{7}{24}$$
 
MarkFL said:
My solution:

I would write the limit as:

$$L=\lim_{k\to\infty}\left[\frac{\int_{k}^{2k}\dfrac{x}{x^5+1}}{k^{-3}}\right]$$

Observing that we have the indeterminate form 0/0, application of L'Hôpital's rule yields:

$$L=\lim_{k\to\infty}\left[\frac{\dfrac{k}{k^5+1}-\dfrac{4k}{32k^2+1}}{3k^{-4}}\right]$$

This can be simplified to:

$$L=\frac{1}{3}\lim_{k\to\infty}\left[\frac{k^5\left(28k^5-3\right)}{\left(32k^5+1\right)\left(k^5+1\right)}\right]=\frac{1}{3}\cdot\frac{28}{32}=\frac{7}{24}$$

Aww...that is fast and efficient of you, MarkFL to solve my today challenge! Well done MarkFL!

When you solved it using the L'Hôpital's rule, your solution becomes very neat and straightforward. I am wondering if you want to tackle it for another time without using the help from the L'Hôpital's rule, hehehe...
 
anemone said:
Aww...that is fast and efficient of you, MarkFL to solve my today challenge! Well done MarkFL!

When you solved it using the L'Hôpital's rule, your solution becomes very neat and straightforward. I am wondering if you want to tackle it for another time without using the help from the L'Hôpital's rule, hehehe...

Why do you want to tie my hands like that? (Wasntme)
 
MarkFL said:
Why do you want to tie my hands like that? (Wasntme)

Because I would sing a song for you if you try that!:p
 
Solution without the use of L'Hôpital's rule:

Since $x^5+1<x(x+1)^4$ and $x^5<x^5+1$ for $x\ge 1$, we have

$\dfrac{1}{(x+1)^4}<\dfrac{x}{x^5+1}<\dfrac{1}{x^4}$ for $x\ge 1$

It then follows that

$\displaystyle k^3\int_{k}^{2k} \frac{1}{(x+1)^4}\,dx<k^3\int_{k}^{2k} \frac{x}{x^5+1}\,dx<k^3\int_{k}^{2k} \frac{1}{x^4}\,dx$ for every $k\ge 1$.

Now,

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} k^3\int_{k}^{2k} \frac{1}{(x+1)^4}\,dx&=\dfrac{k^3}{3}\left(\dfrac{1}{(k+1)^3}-\dfrac{1}{(2k+1)^3}\right)\\&=\dfrac{1}{3}\left(\left(\dfrac{k}{(k+1)}\right)^3-\left(\dfrac{k}{(2k+1)^3}\right)^3\right)\\&=\dfrac{1}{3}\left(1-\dfrac{1}{8}\right)\text{when $k$ approaches $\infty$}\\&=\dfrac{7}{24}\end{align*}$

and

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} k^3\int_{k}^{2k} \frac{1}{x^4}\,dx&=\dfrac{k^3}{3}\left(\dfrac{1}{k^3}-\dfrac{1}{(2k)^3}\right)\\&=\dfrac{1}{3}\left(1-\dfrac{1}{8}\right)\text{when $k$ approaches $\infty$}\\&=\dfrac{7}{24}\end{align*}$

It follows by the Squeeze principle that hence $$\lim_{{k}\to{\infty}} \int_{k}^{2k} \frac{k^3x}{x^5+1}\,dx=\dfrac{7}{24}$$.
 

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