Calculate electric force using Coulomb's law (vector components are the struggle)

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The discussion revolves around calculating the electric force using Coulomb's law, specifically focusing on vector components and trigonometric relationships in a two-dimensional setup involving three charges.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the electric forces between three charges, breaking them down into components and expressing them in terms of magnitude and direction. They express uncertainty about the angle calculation and the resultant vector's direction. Other participants suggest visualizing the forces and checking the signs of the components, while also noting potential errors in the original calculations.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing feedback on the original poster's approach and suggesting methods to clarify the vector components. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct trigonometric relationships and component signs, with some guidance offered on how to visualize the forces.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the signs of the vector components and the correct application of trigonometric functions. The original poster mentions a discrepancy between their results and the expected solution, highlighting a potential misunderstanding of the vector addition process.

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Homework Statement
Consider a fixed point charge of +1.50 μC (q1). A 2nd point charge, q3, of -0.50 μC is placed .500m to the right of q1. Finally, a third point charge q3, of -1.00 μC is placed exactly half way between q1 and q2, and moved down .300m downward. What is the magnitude and direction of the electric force exerted on q3?
Relevant Equations
Electric Force = Kc*q1*q2/r^2
So for this problem I think I am doing something weird with the trig and/or vector components. I calculated the problem like this:

First drew a picture, q1 and q2 on the x axis. q3 located equidistant between them but negative .300m in the y direction.

First finding magnitude of Electric Force due to q1 and q3, and due to q2 and q3:
|F13|= 8.99*10^9(1.5*10^-6C)(1*10^-6C)/(.25m^2 + .3m^2) = 8.826 *10^-2 N

|F23|= 8.99*10^9(.5*10^-6C)(1*10^-6C)/(.25m^2 + .3m^2) = 2.9475 *10^-2 N

Then found angle theta using arctan(.3/.25) = 50.19 degrees (this might be part of the problem)

Then broke down F13 and F23 into x and y components:
F13x= 8.826 *10^-2cos(50.19) = 5.68 * 10^-2 î
F13y= 8.826 *10^-2sin50.19) = 6.77*10^-2 ĵ


F23x= 2.9475*10^-2cos(50.19) = 1.89*10^-2 î
F23y= 2.9475*10^-2sin(50.19) = 2.26*10^-2 ĵ

Finally, adding up ĵ and î components respectively, yields: 7.57*10^-2 N î + 9.03*10^-2 N ĵ
With respect to what angle, have no idea, I don't remember how to find that. I think that my angle of 50 degrees needs to be adjusted by subtracting it from 180 degrees or something but that doesn't seem to make sense either.

For reference, the solution should be:

|F| = 0.088𝑁 ∠ 149° w/r +x

Which obviously is not in component form, but I still don't know how they got that magnitude or direction. I did notice that is is close to my answer in the y direction, which makes me feel like maybe x-components cancel here?

Anyways, any help would be appreciated! Thank you.
 
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potatogirl said:
First drew a picture
Excellent. Now draw in the two forces (the directions with crude estimates of the magnitudes) of the two forces and post the picture.

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(red = + black = - )

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Something like this?
 

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Excellent again. Since you already have the magnitudes (and their ratio), I would try to avoid confusion by letting the sizes show that:

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Now you can do the trig and use he picture to check signs. In particular of the components ... (they don't all have the same sign...)


I also noticed there is a 4 missing in 8.99*10^9(1.5*10^-6C)(1*10^-6C)/(.25m^2 + .3m^2) = 8.8426 *10^-2 N

Tip: don't mix up math and calculation. Do all the math until you have a set of final expressions.
I estimate you have some difficulty with the math. It is worth while to practice decomposition into components until you can do that almost automatically. Example: $$\begin{align*}

|\vec F_{13}| &= k{q_1 q_3\over -0.25^2+0.3^2} \\ \ \\
\angle F_{13} &= \arctan(-0.25/0.3) \qquad \Rightarrow \\ \ \\

\cos(\angle F_{13}) &= {-0.25\over \sqrt{-0.25^2+0.3^2} }\ ,
&\sin(\angle F_{13}) = {0.3\over \sqrt{-0.25^2+0.3^2}} \quad \Rightarrow \\ \ \\

\vec F_{13, x} &= k{q_1 q_3 (-0.25)\over \left (-0.25^2+0.3^2 \right )^{3/2}}
&\vec F_{13, y} = k{q_1 q_3 0.3 \over \left (-0.25^2+0.3^2 \right )^{3/2}} \quad \Rightarrow \\ \ \\

\vec F_{13} &= k{q_1 q_3 \over (-0.25^2+0.3^2)^{3/2}}\left ( -0.25\hat\imath + 0.3 \hat\jmath \right)

\end{align*}$$

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