Calculate Formal Charge of Chlorine in HClO3

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The discussion revolves around calculating the formal charge of chlorine in the molecule HClO3, specifically using a resonance structure where all bonds to chlorine are single bonds. Participants explore various interpretations and calculations related to formal charge in this context.

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  • One participant initially calculates the formal charge on chlorine as +3 but questions the correctness of this value.
  • Another participant asserts that chlorine should have a formal charge of +5 due to the formation of double bonds with two oxygen atoms.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that the correct formal charge is +2, challenging the previous claims of +5 or +7.
  • One participant critiques the exercise as artificial, arguing that the scenario of all single bonds to chlorine does not reflect realistic bonding and that formal charge calculations can be misleading.
  • Another participant proposes a calculation method based on valence electrons, suggesting that chlorine has 5 valence electrons and loses 3 for single bonds, leading to a formal charge of +2.
  • A participant acknowledges a mistake in their structure drawing, indicating confusion about the bonding in HClO3.
  • Additional resources and discussions about formal charge are shared by participants for further exploration.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the formal charge of chlorine in HClO3, with no consensus reached on the correct value. The discussion remains unresolved as different interpretations and calculations are presented.

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The discussion highlights the complexity of formal charge calculations and the potential for differing interpretations based on molecular structure assumptions. There are unresolved aspects regarding the appropriateness of the chosen resonance structure and the implications of formal charge in chemical bonding.

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question: Calculate the formal charge on chlorine in HClO3 using the resonance structure in which all the bonds on chlorine are single bonds.

I know the formal charge equals to the valance electron on a free atom minus the valance electron assigned to it in a molecule.

so my answer is +3, unfortunately, that is wrong.
can someone tell me why?
 
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Oxygen and chlorine would form double bonds in this case, so Cl is +5. Two oxygens form double bonds.
See - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloric_acid.

HClO4, perchloric acid, would have Cl with +7 state.
 
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Oxygen and chlorine would form double bonds in this case, so Cl is +5. Two oxygens form double bonds.
See - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloric_acid.
HClO4, perchloric acid, would have Cl with +7 state.
but the correct answer is +2, nor 5 or 7.
why?
 
"Formal charge" games are just that, games. Ordinarily, as A-nuc has done, one follows a heirarchy of formal charges in which oxygen outranks every other species with a formal charge of -2. The part of the problem statement, "...in which all the bonds on chlorine are single bonds," implies an unnatural situation in which you are asked to calculate formal charge on Cl with -1 formal charge on the three oxygen atoms.

It's artificial, it's silly, and it looks to be something your instructor or text want you to do. There's absolutely no physical reason, quantum mechanical calculation, rationalization, or anything else to support such a picture. Nor, strictly, is there any reason to support a -2 state for oxygen in all cases. "Formal charge" is something you'll need to take seriously in courses that present molecular structures in terms of formal charge, but in the long run, the concept is useless beyond doing the bookkeeping on charge.
 
I would think Cl with 5 valence electrons - 3 electrons for the single bonds would give 2.

See - http://www.utdallas.edu/~parr/chm1341/13410709.html - go to bottom of page for the example of HClO3 with the oxygen atoms each developing a single bond with the Cl atom, and Cl has +2 and O has -1 formal charge.

Below is the correct structure in which two oxygens form a double bond and the formal charges on Cl and each O is 0.

See also the discussion of formal charge - http://www.scientia.org/cadonline/Chemistry/bonding/formalcharge.ASP
 
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thanks, I noticed I was drawing the wrong structure, which the H has connected to the Cl.
 

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