Calculate I in Complicated Circuit Analysis

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the current (I) in a complicated circuit involving resistors, particularly focusing on the impact of a 22 ohm resistor within the circuit. Participants explore both symmetrical and asymmetrical configurations of the circuit, as well as methods for analysis.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in calculating current due to the addition of a resistor in the circuit.
  • Another participant suggests analyzing the circuit without the 22 ohm resistor first to understand its effect when reintroduced.
  • A claim is made that the 22 ohm resistor has no effect on the circuit because there is no potential difference across it, leading to a current of 1 Amp.
  • A participant questions whether the lack of current through the 22 ohm resistor is due to the symmetry of the circuit, and asks how to approach the problem if the circuit were not symmetrical.
  • Another participant agrees that symmetry plays a role but emphasizes that there is no current at all through the resistor, as there is no voltage across it.
  • Suggestions are made to apply Ohm's law and to transform the circuit configuration for easier analysis, including converting a star formation of resistors to a delta formation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the impact of the 22 ohm resistor, with some asserting it has no effect due to symmetry, while others explore how the circuit would behave under different conditions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the resistor's presence in various configurations.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the need for equations based on Ohm's law and the balancing of currents and voltages, but do not provide specific mathematical steps or resolutions to the proposed scenarios.

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i have the following circuit and I'm tryingto calculate I. (the values shown by the resistors are all ohms.) i can do this fine normally, but the addition of a resistor in the middle just complicates things. can anyone help me out? a picture of the crcuit has been attached.
 

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Well, what if there was no 22 ohm resistor? Calculate I, and find the voltages at the nodes where the 22 ohm resistor was. Then put the 22 ohm resistor back in the circuit. Can you see what affect it has now, if any?
 
1 Amp.

The 22 Ohm has no effect as there is no potential diff across it.

It is like two 20 Ohm in parallel so 10 Ohms.
 
ahh... is that because of the symmetry of the system? i mean, the resistor has equal current flowing into it in both directions, thus resulting in 0 current?

how would i solve this if the system wasn't symmetrical? i.e. suppose all the resistors in the above examples were given values of 10 ohms, apart from, say, the resistor on the bottom right -- let's give that a value of 22 ohms.
 
Symmetry yes but there is no current at all.. No V across an R then there is no I.

You could write down all the equations based on Ohms law for each resisitor given that currents in and out of a node (junction point) must balance and voltages around a loop must add up to zero.

OR you could transform 3 resistors which form a star (see better if re-drawn a bit) to a delta formation and add that to two remaining resistors.. It then becomes a much easier curcuit to analyse with two simple parallel pairs of resistors in series which you can reduce to a single resistor which is then in parallel with the remaining resistor.




http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2007/four-yorkshiremen-sketch-p1.php


http://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/resistor/res_4.html
 
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