Calculate Particle Velocity/Accel in Referential w/ Motion & Coriolis Problem

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The original poster is attempting to calculate the velocity and acceleration of a particle from an inertial reference frame, given its motion functions in a non-inertial reference frame that is both translating and rotating. The discussion involves identifying tangential, centripetal, and Coriolis accelerations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of Galilean transformations and the complexities of dealing with rotational motion. There is confusion regarding the distinction between spin and orbital motion, as well as the correct formulation of acceleration in a rotating frame. Some participants suggest using the Transport theorem and explore the derivation of velocity and acceleration expressions.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided helpful guidance on the derivation of acceleration components, while others are still grappling with the definitions and calculations involved. The original poster has made progress in understanding the concepts but is seeking clarification on specific terms such as "tangential acceleration." There is no explicit consensus, but productive exchanges are ongoing.

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The discussion includes references to external resources for further reading, indicating that participants are encouraged to explore foundational concepts related to rotating reference frames. There is mention of a long gap since the original poster's last contribution, suggesting a potential challenge in maintaining continuity in the discussion.

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Problem:
Calculate the velocity and acceleration from an inertial reference frame of a particle whose motion functions (in Cartesian's coordinates) are known from a moving referential. The motion of such a referential is in accelerated translation and rotation with respect to the inertial one. Identify the corresponding expression of tangential, centripetal and Coriolis's accelerations.


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Galileo's transformations... hmm not sure. I don't think so since I'm dealing with a non inertial reference frame.


The Attempt at a Solution


I'd like some guidance. I'm thinking of starting writing the motion of the particle the referential sees but I have a big confusion when it comes to the rotational part (is it a spin and an orbital motion?).
My other idea is to start to write down a similar relation to Galilean's transformation.
The translation from one frame to another involves an acceleration. I call it a(t)=\ddot f(t), v(t)=\dot f(t) and r(t)=f(t).
But I've no clue about the rotational part. Also big troubles with the translational part. I'd like some guidance.
Thanks.
 
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I know it's been more than 1 year since I've posted but here I am.
In Wikipedia's article and using what they call the Transport theorem (replacing their "f" by \vec r (t)), I could show that \vec v (t)=\vec v _r (t)+ \vec \Omega \times \vec r; just like they did.
However I've a problem when it comes to find the acceleration.
If I set their "f" to \vec v (t) then I find \vec a (t)=\vec a _r (t) + \vec \Omega \times \vec v _r (t)+ \vec \Omega \times \vec \Omega \times \vec r (t) instead of \vec a (t)=\vec a _r (t) +2 \vec \Omega \times \vec v _r (t)+ \vec \Omega \times (\vec \Omega \times \vec r )- \frac{d \vec \Omega }{dt} \times \vec r (t).
I've no idea what I'm doing wrong.
By the way this problem seems really tough :/
 


Use the relation:
\frac{d}{dt}\hat{\boldsymbol{u}} = \boldsymbol{\Omega \times \hat{u}}

I will do the first term for the derivative of the velocity (use the product rule):
\frac{d}{dt}\boldsymbol{v_r} = \frac{d}{dt}v(t)\hat{\boldsymbol{r}}<br /> = \frac{dv(t)}{dt}\hat{\boldsymbol{r}} + v(t) \frac{d\hat{\boldsymbol{r}}}{dt}<br /> = a(t)\hat{\boldsymbol{r}} + v(t) \boldsymbol{\Omega \times \hat{r}}<br /> = \boldsymbol{a_r} + \boldsymbol{\Omega \times v_r}

Then you would do the same for the last term in the velocity. You'd take its derivative and use the product rule.
\frac{d}{dt} \boldsymbol{\Omega \times r}
 
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Thank you very much, I could demonstrate the formula in wikipedia thanks to you.
I could identify Euler acceleration, Coriolis acceleration and the centrifugal acceleration.
However in the question, they ask for the "tangential acceleration", do they mean the Euler acceleration by this term?
 


Yep.
 


Ok thanks for all. Problem solved. :)
 

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