Inertial/non-inertial reference frames

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving inertial and non-inertial reference frames, specifically focusing on the motion of a particle under gravity in a rotating frame of reference fixed to the Earth's surface. The problem includes deriving equations of motion and analyzing the effects of rotation on the particle's trajectory.

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  • Participants explore the derivation of motion equations for a particle in a rotating frame, questioning the integration constants related to initial conditions.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of initial conditions on constants of integration.
  • There is discussion about the nature of the motion in an inertial frame and how it contrasts with the rotating frame, particularly regarding parabolic motion.
  • Questions arise about the interpretation of part c) of the problem, specifically what is required in terms of explaining the eastward deflection of the falling particle.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and clarifications regarding the integration of equations and the interpretation of motion in different frames. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of motion in an inertial frame, but there remains uncertainty about specific details and interpretations.

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Participants are working under the constraints of the problem's setup, including assumptions about the Earth's rotation and the behavior of the particle under gravity. There is an acknowledgment of the small angle approximation for the motion described.

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I'm a bit unsure about the last couple of bits of this question, and I'm hoping someone might be able to help.

Homework Statement



a) Let a reference frame with origin O & Cartesian axes (x, y, z) be fixed relative to the surface of the rotating Earth at co-latitude θ (i.e. 0≤θ≤∏, where θ = 0 corresponds to the north pole). Increasing x is east, increasing y is north & increasing z is upwards (opposite direction to gravity g). The Earth is assumed to rotate steadily with angular velocity ω. Find the components of ω in this frame of reference. Ignoring the centrifugal force, show that the motion of a particle of mass m under gravity is governed by

\ddot{x} − 2ω\dot{y} cos θ + 2ω\dot{z} sin θ = 0
\ddot{y}+ 2ω\dot{x} cos θ = 0
\ddot{z}− 2ω\dot{x} sin θ = −g

where ω = |ω| and g = |g|. Assuming θ is constant, by integrating the second and third of these equations with respect to time and substituting into the first equation, show that

\ddot{x}+ 4ω^{2}x= 2ω(v_{0}cosθ-w_{0}sin)+2gtsinθ

where v0 and w0 are constants. Hence find the general solution for x.

b) If a particle falls from rest at O, find x as a function of t. The particle falls only for a brief time before it hits the ground, so that ωt is small throughout its motion. Use a series xpansion of solution for x in ωt to show, to leading order,

x =\frac{1}{3}gωt^{3} sin θ

c) Explain briefly how an inertial observer would account for this eastward deflection
of the falling particle.

Homework Equations



m\textbf{a}=\textbf{F}-m\dot{\textbf{ω}}\times\textbf{r}-2m\textbf{ω}\times\dot{\textbf{r}}-m\textbf{ω}\times(\textbf{ω}\times\textbf{r})-m\textbf{A}


The Attempt at a Solution



For a) I get ω=ωsinθy+ωcosθz, and using the equation above, with the fact that ω is constant and ignoring the centrifugal force, I get the three equations as stated. Integrating then gives \ddot{x}+ 4ω^{2}x= 2ω(v_{0}cosθ-w_{0}sin)+2gtsinθ.

solving this as a 2nd order ODE, I get complementary solution x=αcos(2ωt)+βsin(2ωt) and particular solution x=\frac{gsinθ}{2ω}t+\frac{v_{0}cosθ-w_{0}sinθ}{2w^{2}}

so the general solution for x is these added together.

For b), I plugged in the initial values, at t=0, x=0, \dot{x}=0 to get

α=\frac{-(v_{0}cosθ-w_{0})}{(2ω^{2})}

β=\frac{-gsinθ}{4ω^{2}}

and using the series expansions for sin and cos, I get for small t

x=\frac{2ω^{2}t^{2}(v_{0}cosθ-w_{0}sinθ)+2/3gsinθωt^{3}}{2ω^{2}}

which simplifies to x=(v_{0}cosθ-w_{0}sinθ)t^{2}+1/3gsinθt^{3}

The answer I'm supposed to get here is just the second term, but I'm not entirely sure if I've done this right. Can I just cancel the first term here as t is small?

I'm also not entirely sure what answer part c) is looking for. Is it anything to do with Coriolis?

I'd be grateful if anyone could shed a bit of light on this. Thanks!
 
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v_{0} and w_{0} are constants of integration. What would they be for the initial conditions given in b)?
 
Apologies if I'm being really stupid here, but I don't see how the initial conditions give any information about v_{0} and w_{0}? The two initial conditions give you the constants from the ODE don't they?
 
You got them by integrating the equations for y and z. b), however, specifies that the particle is initially at O at rest.
 
Ah right of course! I see what you mean now, and that gives the correct answer, thanks.

The only other bit I wasn't sure about was part c), I don't really know what sort of answer they're looking for..
 
I think you should take an inertial frame of reference whose origin is coincident with O at t = 0 and see what the motion would look like in that frame (when t is small). I think in should boil down to the fact that in an inertial frame the motion should be the familiar parabolic motion in the XZ plane.
 
Hmm.. How do you get parabolic motion? sorry if I'm being slow here!
 
Imagine an inertial frame coincident with the rotating frame but fixed with respect to the center of the planet. If you release at particle at rest in the rotating frame, in the inertial frame it will have a non-zero horizontal velocity. The only force in the inertial frame acting on it will be gravity. The resultant motion is parabolic.
 
Oh, right, I see what you mean now... I was thinking that it was released from rest so would have zero velocity in the x direction so wouldn't be parabolic but that's not right if you're in an inertial frame.. Thanks for all the help!
 

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