Calculate the force of an explosion from chemical reaction?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the force generated by an explosion resulting from a chemical reaction between hydrogen and oxygen. Participants explore the complexities involved in quantifying such forces, considering various factors that influence the outcome.

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  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a scenario involving a mixture of 5 grams of oxygen and 10 grams of hydrogen, questioning the force of the resulting explosion.
  • Another participant argues that calculating the force is complicated and largely meaningless without considering factors such as distance, shape, strength, and mass of the impacted object.
  • A further contribution emphasizes the importance of energy release over maximum overpressure, noting that the energy released from burning hydrogen is significant but varies based on the specifics of the reaction.
  • One participant highlights the need for a proper mass ratio of hydrogen to oxygen for an effective reaction, suggesting a ratio of eight to one in favor of oxygen to achieve the desired atomic ratio.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility and meaningfulness of calculating the force of the explosion, indicating a lack of consensus on how to approach the question.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the calculation of force is highly dependent on various conditions and assumptions, including the specifics of the chemical reaction and the context in which the explosion occurs.

yrjosmiel73
Example, I have a mixture of 5 grams of oxygen and 10 grams of hydrogen. I ignite them. How much force will the explosion do?

Yes, I did think about posting this in the chem category but this is about forces, right?
 
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Sorry, but that's an extremely complicated, but largely meaningless question. It depends on both the explosion and the distance, shape, strength and mass of the object being impacted, and even then is a pretty weak description.

Now, sometimes maximum over pressure is used, but more common is energy.
 
yrjosmiel73 said:
Example, I have a mixture of 5 grams of oxygen and 10 grams of hydrogen. I ignite them. How much force will the explosion do?
Note that the molecular weights of hydrogen and oxygen are very different. You would need mass ratio of approximately eight to one in favor of oxygen to achieve a number-of-atoms ratio of two to one in favor of hydrogen.

I assume that you are trying to specify a perfect mix here.
 
russ_watters said:
maximum over pressure is used, but more common is energy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_of_combustion#Heat_of_combustion_tables

When you burn hydrogen it will release 120 MJ/kg (The lower heating value means that you do not take into account the condensation of the water vapor in combustion). Pressure and force depend on how this energy is released and are very case-dependent.
 
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