Calculate the net force on square loop (Magnetism)

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The problem involves a square loop of wire carrying a current in a magnetic field defined by a specific vector equation. The loop is situated in the xy-plane, and the magnetic field has components that vary with position, leading to questions about the net force acting on the loop.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the implications of the magnetic field's vector components and how they affect the forces on different sides of the loop. There is confusion regarding the notation used for the magnetic field and its physical meaning. Some participants suggest considering torque and the forces acting at different locations on the loop.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the magnetic field and its effects on the loop. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between torque and force, but there is no explicit consensus on the approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the notation and the application of equations related to torque and magnetic forces. There is a focus on understanding the specific conditions of the problem and the implications of the magnetic field's variation across the loop.

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Homework Statement



A square loop of wire of side length L lies in the xy-plane, with its center at the origin and its sides parallel to the x- and y- axes. It carries a current i, in a counterclockwise direction, as viewed looking down the z-axis from the positive direction. The loop is in a magnetic field given by B = (B0/a)(zx-hat + xz-hat), where B0 is a constant field strength, a is a constant with the dimension of length, and x-hat and z-hat are unit vectors in the positive x-direction and positive z-direction. Calculate the net force on the loop.

Homework Equations



F = iL x B

The Attempt at a Solution



What's throwing me off is the zx-hat + xz-hat. I'm not sure how to figure this out. When I tried to solve the problem, though, everything canceled out because the current on opposite sides of the square is flowing in opposite directions, so I got the force to be 0. However, I know this answer is not right. Any help would be appreciated.
 
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B = (B0/a)(zx-hat + xz-hat)

You mean: $$\vec{B}=\frac{B_0}{a}\left ( z\hat{x} + x\hat{z} \right )$$ i.e. ##\hat{x}## is a unit vector pointing in the positive x direction ... which would more commonly be written: ##\hat{\imath}##.

When I tried to solve the problem, though, everything canceled out because the current on opposite sides of the square is flowing in opposite directions, so I got the force to be 0.
The current flowing in opposite directions may produce the same force in opposite directions - but the forces act at different places, so they do not cancel. Hint: "torque".

The equation you gave for the magnetic field, though, suggests that the field strength, and thus the force for the same current, is different in different places ... so I'd expect the force to be different along different bits of the loop.
 
This is what I have so far now. For torque, I have the equation \tau = NiABsin\Theta. Since there is only one loop, N would be 1. And since \tau = F x r, I can equate the two expressions and solve for F.

But I'm still confused with what to do. Do I have to find the torque for each side of the square and then add them to get the net torque?
 
theunbeatable said:
This is what I have so far now. For torque, I have the equation \tau = NiAB\sin\theta.
This expression is for a specific set of circumstances - do they apply in this situation?

But I'm still confused with what to do. Do I have to find the torque for each side of the square and then add them to get the net torque?
If I were you, I'd start by understanding the first equation you wrote down (it's telling you about the net torque on the loop in terms of the flux enclosed by it) ... or you can go back to first principles with ##\vec{F}=q\vec{v}\times\vec{B}## and work out the force on each bit of the wire.
The fact that it is a square loop makes the geometry easier.

What I need you to do is confirm that what I wrote for the ##\vec{B}## expression in post #2 is correct. You have to actually say - don't make me guess.
 
Simon Bridge said:
What I need you to do is confirm that what I wrote for the ##\vec{B}## expression in post #2 is correct. You have to actually say - don't make me guess.

Oh sorry, that was the right equation. I'm bad at formatting so that's why I said x-hat and z-hat.

And it's the magnetic field equation that's really throwing me off. I don't understand what xz-hat and zx-hat (again, sorry with the formatting but I can't seem to find the proper unit vector symbols), are supposed to represent. Are they cross products or planes or something else?

And I'm trying to figure out what to do with torque, but besides the equation I mentioned above, which was derived in my textbook for square loops, I don't have anything else about relating torques to magnetism.
 
The "hat" notation indicates a unit vector ... so ##\hat{x}=\hat{\imath}##, ##\hat{y}=\hat{\jmath}##, and ##\hat{z}=\hat{k}## ... you know, like i,j,k notation?
The numbers right in front are the components of the vector.

So: $$\vec{B}=\frac{B_0}{a}\begin{pmatrix} z\\0\\x \end{pmatrix}$$

Presumably you have some relation telling you the force on a wire carrying a current?
You also have ##\vec{F}=q\vec{v}\times \vec{B}##

You have the book's derivation for the formula you wrote too - that should tell you how to derive an equation for this particular situation.
 

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