Calculate Velocity: Initial Radial Velocity 0.325 m/s

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The discussion focuses on calculating the initial radial velocity needed for mass A to maintain equilibrium in a rotating system. Users are attempting to derive equations of motion for two connected masses on a rotating disk, emphasizing the need to express the problem as a differential equation. The correct initial radial velocity is identified as 0.325 m/s, but participants are struggling with the mathematical formulation and interpretation of variables. Clarifications are sought regarding the definitions and relationships between the masses, their distances, and the forces acting on them. The conversation highlights the importance of accurately defining variables and understanding the dynamics involved in the system.
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Homework Statement


A wheel drive in the horizontal plane with angular velocity 13 rad / s. Two bodies mass mA = 1 kg and mB = 1.4 kg slide without friction along a rail fixed to the disk and passing through its center. The two bodies are connected by a bar inextensible (negligible mass) and 0.3m long.

Knowing that the body A is initially 15 cm from the center, determine the initial radial velocity that should print the body so that his movement tends to break even.

Homework Equations



aA = xA w^2 - (mB l w^2) / (mA+mB)
xA(eq) = (mBl/(mA+mB))

The Attempt at a Solution


I determine the equations above, but I don't how to use them to calculate what I need to...
Te correct answer is 0,325 m/s
 
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You need to write your first equation as a differential equation and solve it. Then use the information that x is bounded as time tends to infinity.
 
haruspex said:
You need to write your first equation as a differential equation and solve it. Then use the information that x is bounded as time tends to infinity.

Hi!
So I did it and I found out that

rA = C1 e^-wt + C2 e^wt
rA (t=0) = C1 + C2
vA (t=0) = -C1 w + C2 w

we need C2=0 so I told that v (t=0) was also -wC1 -wC2

Then I wrote

rA = C1 e^-wt
vA = -wC1 e^-wt

rA(t=0) = r0 = C1

So

rA = r0 e^-wt
vA = -r0 w e^-wt

and then vA (t=0) - 1,95 m/s

But there's something I'm missing because the result is wrong... There's something about rAeq that I'm not guessing... Can you please help me?
 
How are you defining rA?
 
What do you mean?
rA = r0 e^-wt
 
Granger said:
What do you mean?
rA = r0 e^-wt
That's an equation, not a definition. What does you variable rA represent? If it represents the distance of mass A from the axis then your differential equation solution is clearly wrong. It would imply that the mass reaches the axis at infinite time.
 
Oh yes now I'm understanding I guess... Thanks! So How can I fix the solution? Can you explain?
 
Granger said:
Oh yes now I'm understanding I guess... Thanks! So How can I fix the solution? Can you explain?
Please post the differential equation you obtained and the steps up to the solution you posted.
 
rA = C1 e^-wt + C2 e^wt
rA (t=0) = C1 + C2
vA (t=0) = -C1 w + C2 w

we need C2=0 so I told that v (t=0) was also -wC1 -wC2

-C1w +C2w = -wC1 - wC2
C2 = 0

Then I wrote

rA = C1 e^-wt
vA = -wC1 e^-wt
vA(t=0)= -C1w - C2w
rA(t=0) = r0 = C1

So

rA = r0 e^-wt
vA = -r0 w e^-wt

vA (t=0) = - r0 w e^-wt

and then vA (t=0) - 1,95 m/s
 
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No, I asked for the differential equation. Your very first line there is an incorrect solution to the equation.
 
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Ah

aA - w^2 rA = - w^2 (req - X)

if X = rAeq

aA - w^2rA = 0
 
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Granger said:
Ah

aA - w^2 rA = - w^2 (req - X)

if X = rAeq

aA - w^2rA = 0
We're not looking for the equilibrium position. We need the general equation of motion of this system. Consider forces.
 
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I'm really not understanding what i need to do
 
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Granger said:
I'm really not understanding what i need to do
Consider the forces acting on the system and write the equation for the resulting acceleration along the rod.
E.g. let x be the distance of mass A from the axis. Find an equation relating ##\ddot x## to x, ##\omega##, length of rod L, and the two masses.

Edit: it's the first of your two 'relevant equations'
 
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