Calculating Acceleration for a Warehouse Ramp Pulley System with Friction

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The discussion revolves around calculating the acceleration of a package being lifted on a ramp using a pulley system, considering the effects of friction. The scenario involves a 15º ramp, a package, and a counterweight that is twice the mass of the package.

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  • Participants explore the forces acting on the package and counterweight, including tension, gravitational forces, and friction. There is an attempt to calculate the coefficient of friction based on a separate test with a 50 kg mass on a horizontal surface. Questions arise regarding the correct application of mass in the equations and the identification of forces.

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Some participants have provided calculations and attempted to derive the coefficient of friction, while others question the correctness of the mass used in the equations and suggest writing separate equations for each mass involved in the system. There is a recognition of confusion regarding the setup and the forces acting on the masses.

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Participants note the absence of the coefficient of kinetic friction in the original problem statement and express uncertainty about the correct approach to the problem, particularly in identifying forces and setting up equations for both masses.

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Homework Statement


You have taken a summer job at a warehouse and have designed a method to help get heavy packages up a 15º ramp. In your system a package is attached to a rope which runs parallel to the ramp and over a pulley at the top of the ramp. After passing over the pulley the other end of the rope is attached to a counterweight which hangs straight down. In your design the mass of the counterweight is always adjusted to be twice the mass of the package. Your boss is worried about this pulley system. In particular, she is concerned that the package will be too difficult to handle at the top of the ramp and tells you to calculate its acceleration. To determine the influence of friction between the ramp and the package you run some tests. You find that you can push a 50 kg package with a horizontal force of 250 Newtons at a constant speed along a level floor made of the same material as the ramp.

Homework Equations


Fnet=ma


The Attempt at a Solution


Block 1:
(Fnet)y = n + T - Fgcos\theta= 0
(Fnet)y = n = mgcos\theta

(Fnet)x = n + T - Fgsin\theta - fk = ma
(Fnet)x = T - Fgsin\theta - fk = ma

(Fnet)x = 980 - Fgsin\theta - mu_k(mgcos\theta) = ma
(Fnet)x = 980 - gsinmgcos\theta - (mu_k)cos\theta = a

Block 2:
(Fnet)x = 0
(Fnet)y = T - 2mg = 0
(Fnet)y = T = 2*mg
(Fnet)y = T = 2*50*9.8, so T= 980N

I'm confused as to what to do next, because I don't think I'm doing this right and I don't have the co-efficient of kinetic friction.
 
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In the problem it given that a 50 kg mass is moved on a horizontal floor with 250 N. From this data find the coefficient of friction.
 
So, I did:

fk = mu_k*n
250 = mu_k*(50)(9.8)
250/490 = mu_k = .51

So, going back to what I originally did and plugging this back in:

a = [(980)-(50)(9.8)sin15-(.51)(50)(9.8)cos15]/50
a = 12.24 m/s^2

This doesn't seem right, is it?
 
In the calculation, you have the mass as 50 kg. It is not right. It is used to find μ of the surface. For calculation you have to use m and 2m.
Identify the forces acting on m and its acceleration.
Find the acceleration of 2m. And the equate them to find T and a.
 
I'm a bit confused. I thought I had the forces identified in (Fnet)x = n + T - Fgsin\theta - fk = ma, would it be 2ma or?

Sorry, :(.
 
You have to write two equations for two masses.
For m
ma = T -gsinθ -fk. What is the value of fk?
For 2m
2m*a = ...?
 

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