Calculating Acceleration of a Block Going Down a 37 Degree Ramp Without Friction

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The discussion revolves around calculating the acceleration of a block (or skier) moving down a frictionless ramp inclined at 37 degrees. Participants explore the reasoning behind using gravitational acceleration in this context and the components of acceleration along the incline.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the acceleration of the skier is 5.89 m/s², but questions why the hypotenuse is set to 9.8 m/s², suggesting it leads to confusion about the acceleration of objects on different inclines.
  • Another participant explains that the angle is measured with respect to the horizontal, and the component of acceleration down the incline is calculated using g*sinθ.
  • There is a discussion about the necessity of finding the component of acceleration down the incline, with one participant indicating that it is the direction of motion for the skier.
  • Concerns are raised about the interpretation of gravity as a vertical force and how it relates to the acceleration down the incline, with clarification that the component of gravity must be calculated for angles between vertical and horizontal.
  • A later reply expresses realization and understanding of the concept after the explanation provided by another participant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the calculation of acceleration down the incline, with some confusion about the role of gravity and its components. There is no consensus reached on the initial question about setting the hypotenuse to 9.8 m/s².

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on trigonometric functions to resolve the components of gravitational acceleration, indicating a dependence on the angle of inclination and the definitions of the components involved. Some assumptions about the nature of gravity and its effects on different inclines remain unaddressed.

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I had a problem where there is a block going down a slope with an angle of inclination of 37 degrees, and we did not need to account for friction.

The question was what is the acceleration of the skier.

I know how you figure out the answer, which is 5.89 m/s^2. I know you have to set the hypotenuse to 9.8 then figure out the opposite side, and that's easy enough.

But, why do you set the hypotenuse to 9.8? It doesn't make sense to me, and if this was the trend, then a ball rolling down a ramp with an angle of inclination of .1 degrees would have an acceleration of 9.8 m/s^2.

Anyone care to explain? Thanks.
 
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guss said:
But, why do you set the hypotenuse to 9.8? It doesn't make sense to me, and if this was the trend, then a ball rolling down a ramp with an angle of inclination of .1 degrees would have an acceleration of 9.8 m/s^2.
The angle is measured with respect to the horizontal. So g*sinθ would be about 0.0017*g. It would roll very slowly down the incline, which is practically horizontal.

In general, you want the component of the acceleration down the incline. So the full acceleration would be g acting downward (and thus the hypotenuse of a right triangle) and the component parallel to the ramp would g*sinθ.
 
Doc Al said:
In general, you want the component of the acceleration down the incline. So the full acceleration would be g acting downward (and thus the hypotenuse of a right triangle) and the component parallel to the ramp would g*sinθ.

I still don't quite understand, sorry. What is the reason you want the component of the acceleration down the incline?
 
guss said:
I still don't quite understand, sorry. What is the reason you want the component of the acceleration down the incline?

Because that's the direction the skier is moving, right?
 
berkeman said:
Because that's the direction the skier is moving, right?

Well, in this case the component of the acceleration (down the incline) is gravity. But that doesn't make sense to me because gravity should be vertical.
 
guss said:
Well, in this case the component of the acceleration (down the incline) is gravity. But that doesn't make sense to me because gravity should be vertical.

The acceleration down the incline would only be g if the incline were vertical. And it would be zero if the incline were horizontal. At all angles between vertical and horizontal, you need to use trig to calculate the component of g that is in the direction down the incline.
 
berkeman said:
The acceleration down the incline would only be g if the incline were vertical. And it would be zero if the incline were horizontal. At all angles between vertical and horizontal, you need to use trig to calculate the component of g that is in the direction down the incline.

Oh, I see now. The way you put it made me realize how it works, now it seems obvious. Thanks all.
 

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