Calculating Capacitor Ripple Voltage: Ideal vs ESR of 0.2 Ohms

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This discussion revolves around calculating the output voltage ripple of a capacitor in a dc-to-dc converter circuit, specifically comparing an ideal capacitor to one with an equivalent series resistance (ESR) of 0.2 Ohms. Participants explore the mathematical modeling of capacitor ripple voltage, addressing both theoretical and practical aspects of the problem.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the approach for part (a) using the equation Vc = (1/C) integral of i dt, but seeks clarification on how to express part (b) with ESR.
  • Another participant suggests that the presence of resistance adds a voltage drop of i(t)R, leading to a modified voltage equation for the capacitor.
  • There is a discussion about integrating the modified equation and whether the approach taken to include the ESR is correct.
  • Participants confirm that the integral equation should yield a zero average voltage over one cycle, emphasizing the importance of maintaining this condition in their calculations.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of setting Vc(t=0) to zero and whether this is an appropriate assumption in their calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the mathematical approach to modeling the capacitor ripple voltage, but there is uncertainty regarding the implications of the ESR and the initial conditions set for the voltage. The discussion remains unresolved on whether the specific methods used to incorporate the ESR yield correct results.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the average content of the current i(t) is zero, which affects the capacitor voltage. There are discussions about the assumptions made regarding initial conditions and the treatment of voltage drops due to resistance, but these remain unresolved.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and practitioners in power electronics, particularly those interested in the behavior of capacitors in dc-to-dc converter circuits and the effects of equivalent series resistance on ripple voltage calculations.

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Homework Statement


This homework problem is for my power electronics course I am currently taking.

The network shown to the right (SEE ATTACHED IMAGE) is used to
study the output voltage ripple of particular
types of dc-to-dc converters. Note that \tilde{i}(t)
and \tilde{v}_C(t) represent ripple quantities that
have zero average value – they are not
phasors. Sketch the capacitor ripple voltage,
assuming the capacitor is 10 \muF and is …
a. ideal.
b. has an ESR of 0.2 Ohms


Homework Equations



Equation 1:
i(t)=C\frac{d}{dt}v(t)

Equation 2:
ESR=R_{lead}+\frac{1}{R_{leakage}(\omega C)^2}

The Attempt at a Solution



So for part A, I believe all I do is solve Equation 1 for voltage above by integration of a piecewise function that defines the current i(t). Not so bad.

Part B is what is confusing me. If the capacitor now has an associated resistance with it, it can essentially be modeled as a capacitor and resistor in series. To me this means that an impedance with a real and imaginary part is created. But this is confusing because the problem says they are not phasors, and this is apparent by what the solution will be for the voltage for part A (a piecewise function made up of quadratic expressions). I am not sure how to incorporate this resistance in what the ripple voltage will look like.

 

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In part (a), Vc = (1/C)integral of i dt.
What is the corresponding expression for part (b) for which ESR = R?
 
That is what is confusing me. That equation is derived in the following way.

q(t)=C v(t)
\frac{d}{dt}q(t)=\frac{d}{dt}C v(t)
i(t)=C \frac{d}{dt}v(t)

When now there is a resistance, I am not sure which ones of these quantities changes. My only thought is to say that when there is a series resistance, it adds a voltage drop of i(t)R So the total voltage drop becomes the following.

V=\frac{1}{C}q+IR
\frac{d}{dt}V=\frac{1}{C}\frac{d}{dt}q+\frac{d}{dt}IR
\frac{d}{dt}V=\frac{1}{C}I+\frac{dI}{dt}R

Integrating both sides with respect to t gives the following.

V=\frac{1}{C}\int I dt + IR

Writing it in the problems notation it would be.

\tilde{v}(t)=\frac{1}{C}\int \tilde{i}(t) dt + \tilde{i}(t)RWould this be correct?
 
Xyius said:
That is what is confusing me. That equation is derived in the following way.

q(t)=C v(t)
\frac{d}{dt}q(t)=\frac{d}{dt}C v(t)
i(t)=C \frac{d}{dt}v(t)

When now there is a resistance, I am not sure which ones of these quantities changes. My only thought is to say that when there is a series resistance, it adds a voltage drop of i(t)R So the total voltage drop becomes the following.

V=\frac{1}{C}q+IR
\frac{d}{dt}V=\frac{1}{C}\frac{d}{dt}q+\frac{d}{dt}IR
\frac{d}{dt}V=\frac{1}{C}I+\frac{dI}{dt}R

Integrating both sides with respect to t gives the following.

V=\frac{1}{C}\int I dt + IR

Writing it in the problems notation it would be.

\tilde{v}(t)=\frac{1}{C}\int \tilde{i}(t) dt + \tilde{i}(t)RWould this be correct?

Yes.
Since you already have the graph for R=0 it should be very easy to add the IR term, right?
 
rude man said:
Yes. \tilde{v}(t)=\frac{1}{C}\int \tilde{i}(t) dt + \tilde{i}(t)R
Since you already have the graph for R=0 it should be very easy to add the IR term, right?

Remember the area under a complete cycle is zero.
 
This is what I got (See attached). The top is the ideal case. Seems correct. For the second part, I simply added 0.2 multiplied by the piece-wise functions I got earlier for the current. Was this the correct way to do this?
 

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Xyius said:
This is what I got (See attached). The top is the ideal case. Seems correct. For the second part, I simply added 0.2 multiplied by the piece-wise functions I got earlier for the current. Was this the correct way to do this?

This may be OK but the areas over and under the curve for one cycle should be the same. That's because the dc (average) content of i(t) = 0 and so the capacitor voltage must also have zero dc component over 1 cycle. And of course so must Ri(t).

In graphing parts (a) and (b) did you have Vc(t=0) = 0? If so, then V(0) = 0 for part (a) and V(0) = -R for part (b).
 
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When I was solving the integral equation I set Vc(t=0) to zero. Hope that was okay.

Thank you for all your help!
 
Xyius said:
When I was solving the integral equation I set Vc(t=0) to zero. Hope that was okay.

Thank you for all your help!
 

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