Calculating Car Engine Torque to Plotting the Torque Curve

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around estimating the torque of a car engine to plot a torque curve, focusing on the necessary calculations and data required for this estimation. Participants explore various methods, including the use of software tools and the importance of specific engine specifications.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about estimating engine torque based on calculated road load and RPM, seeking methods to plot the torque curve.
  • Another participant suggests using the horsepower vs RPM curve, stating that torque can be calculated using the relation: power = torque X RPM, if such a curve is available.
  • Some participants mention software tools like "Desktop Dyno" and "Engine Analyzer" for estimating engine power, emphasizing the need for detailed engine specifications to improve accuracy.
  • Concerns are raised about the accuracy of estimations without actual measurements, with one participant recommending a dynamometer run for precise data.
  • Participants discuss the significance of factors such as camshaft lift and duration in shaping the power curve, indicating their relevance to torque estimation.
  • One participant shares personal experience with a car build, mentioning performance metrics and issues related to fuel economy and stability.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on a single method for estimating torque, as participants present multiple approaches and tools, with some expressing skepticism about the accuracy of estimations without direct measurements.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of specific engine data (e.g., bore, stroke, camshaft specifications) and the limitations of relying solely on theoretical calculations without empirical validation.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in automotive engineering, engine performance analysis, and those looking to understand the relationship between engine specifications and torque output may find this discussion relevant.

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I have a car engine specs and I wanted to estimate the torque at each speed and plot the torque curve.

I have calculated the road load or the running resistance force for all gears at different RPM's and found the speed (m/s) for each RPM.

How to estimate the torque of the engine in order to plot the torque curve?
 
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welcome to PF.

Do you have an engine horsepower vs rpm curve ? Often, the manufacturer will publish these.

If so, you can compute the torque at any point with the relation: power = torque X rpm.

If you don't have this graph, let me know. There are other things we can do.
 
Studen8989 said:
I have a car engine specs and I wanted to estimate the torque at each speed and plot the torque curve.

I have calculated the road load or the running resistance force for all gears at different RPM's and found the speed (m/s) for each RPM.

How to estimate the torque of the engine in order to plot the torque curve?
There are programs, such as "Desktop Dyno", for estimating engine power. Accuracy can be quite good, if you have enough data about the engine to input. What specs do you have -- bore & stroke, camshaft, compression, cylinder head volume, ...?

Bear in mind, results are maximum (full throttle) torque values. This applies to software calculations and physical (dynamometer) measurements. (It's easy enough to do a dyno run at part-throttle, but you would have to specifically request it from the dyno operator.)
 
I have estimated a gear ratios for this design.

I have different RPM's of the car and I have calculated they're corresponding speed at each gear at each RPM. And I also have calculated the road load at each gear and at each RPM.

I need to find the torque I have the running resistance force, mass, Cd, Cw.
 
edgepflow said:
welcome to PF.

Do you have an engine horsepower vs rpm curve ? Often, the manufacturer will publish these.

If so, you can compute the torque at any point with the relation: power = torque X rpm.

If you don't have this graph, let me know. There are other things we can do.

Welcome to you back. well i guess you mean multiplied by rev/s not rpm. The problem is i don't have the power at each RPM or speed.
 
Studen8989 said:
Welcome to you back. well i guess you mean multiplied by rev/s not rpm. The problem is i don't have the power at each RPM or speed.
Like pantaz said, there are software packages available for this. I use "Engine Analyzer" when I have time to tinker with these things. If you had the data pantaz mentioned, I could try to set something up if I can find a few minutes. The camshaft lift and duration is important for the shape of the power curve.

What is the make and model of the car?
 
edgepflow said:
Like pantaz said, there are software packages available for this. I use "Engine Analyzer" when I have time to tinker with these things. If you had the data pantaz mentioned, I could try to set something up if I can find a few minutes. The camshaft lift and duration is important for the shape of the power curve.

What is the make and model of the car?

Im trying to build up my own car, I just have some issues with stability. I am trying to build a 1.8L TDCi, 0-60mph is around 5.67sec and 50-70mph is 5.4 secs. However, it has bad fuel economy and top speed performance.

anyway thanks
 
I know this isn't answering the question (because in reality getting an accurate answer without measuring anything will be a fluke anyway).

Why not just stick it on a dyno? Runs can be had for about £30-60, the US will probably be equavilant ($100 maybe).
 

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