Calculating Constant C in a Differential Equation with Initial Condition

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The discussion revolves around solving a differential equation (DE) with an initial condition. The original poster presents a general solution and seeks clarification on how to apply the initial condition correctly, particularly regarding the use of radians versus degrees in trigonometric functions.

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  • The original poster attempts to solve the DE and substitute the initial condition to find the constant C. They question whether to use radians or degrees for their calculations.
  • Some participants affirm the correctness of the general solution and emphasize the importance of using radians in calculus.

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Participants have provided supportive feedback regarding the original poster's solution. Clarification on the use of radians has been offered, indicating a productive direction in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

The original poster expresses uncertainty about the presence of a variable in the denominator of their solution, reflecting a common concern in understanding differential equations.

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Homework Statement



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The Attempt at a Solution



My main problem is with the second part where it says find a solution to the DE that satisfies the initial condition x(π) = 2. I found the general solution to be

[itex]x(t) = \frac{1}{9 t} \ sin \ 3t - \frac{1}{3} \ cos \ 3t + \frac{c}{t}[/itex]

So when we substitute in we get

[itex]x(\pi) = 2 = \frac{1}{9 \pi} \ sin \ 3 \pi - \frac{1}{3} \ cos \ 3 \pi + \frac{c}{\pi}[/itex]

Now I need to solve for the constant C. So my question is: Do I need to calculate this using radians or degrees? I mean, should I have my calculators settings on degrees or radians? :confused:

By the way this is how I solved the DE:

[itex]\frac{dx}{dt} + \frac{x}{t} = sin \ 3t[/itex]

using the integrating factor

[itex]\mu (t) = e^{\int \frac{1}{t} dt}= k \ e^{\ln |t|} = t[/itex]

[itex]t \frac{dx}{dt} + t \frac{x}{t}= t(sin \ 3t)[/itex]

[itex]\int \frac{d}{dt} tx = \int t \ sin \ 3t[/itex]

Using integration by parts for the RHS

[itex]tx = \frac{1}{9} \ sin \ 3t - \frac{t}{3} \ cos \ 3t + k[/itex]

[itex]\therefore \ x(t) = \frac{1}{9 t} \ sin \ 3t - \frac{1}{3} \ cos \ 3t + \frac{c}{t}[/itex]

Is this correct? I think I solved it correctly, but I would still appreciate it if anyone could let me know if there are any mistakes. I'm a bit unsure because most of the DE solutions I've seen don't have a variable in the denominator like the 1/9t term.
 
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hi roam! :wink:

yes, your general solution is fine :smile:
roam said:
Now I need to solve for the constant C. So my question is: Do I need to calculate this using radians or degrees? I mean, should I have my calculators settings on degrees or radians? :confused:

you always use radians

always always always! :biggrin:

(though you shouldn't need a calculator for cos3π and sin3π :wink:)
 
roam said:

Homework Statement



http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/1860/dequestion.jpg

The Attempt at a Solution



My main problem is with the second part where it says find a solution to the DE that satisfies the initial condition x(π) = 2. I found the general solution to be

[itex]x(t) = \frac{1}{9 t} \ sin \ 3t - \frac{1}{3} \ cos \ 3t + \frac{c}{t}[/itex]

So when we substitute in we get

[itex]x(\pi) = 2 = \frac{1}{9 \pi} \ sin \ 3 \pi - \frac{1}{3} \ cos \ 3 \pi + \frac{c}{\pi}[/itex]

Now I need to solve for the constant C. So my question is: Do I need to calculate this using radians or degrees? I mean, should I have my calculators settings on degrees or radians? :confused:

By the way this is how I solved the DE:

[itex]\frac{dx}{dt} + \frac{x}{t} = sin \ 3t[/itex]

using the integrating factor

[itex]\mu (t) = e^{\int \frac{1}{t} dt}= k \ e^{\ln |t|} = t[/itex]

[itex]t \frac{dx}{dt} + t \frac{x}{t}= t(sin \ 3t)[/itex]

[itex]\int \frac{d}{dt} tx = \int t \ sin \ 3t[/itex]

Using integration by parts for the RHS

[itex]tx = \frac{1}{9} \ sin \ 3t - \frac{t}{3} \ cos \ 3t + k[/itex]

[itex]\therefore \ x(t) = \frac{1}{9 t} \ sin \ 3t - \frac{1}{3} \ cos \ 3t + \frac{c}{t}[/itex]

Is this correct? I think I solved it correctly, but I would still appreciate it if anyone could let me know if there are any mistakes. I'm a bit unsure because most of the DE solutions I've seen don't have a variable in the denominator like the 1/9t term.

Always use radians in calculus. The formulas become quite messy if you use degrees. For example, if we measure the angle x in degrees we have (d/dx) sin(x) = (π/180)*cos(x) and (d/dx) cos(x) = -(π/180)*sin(x).

RGV
 
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Ah I see! Thanks a lot tiny tim and Ray for your responses, I get it now!
 

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