Calculating current in circuit with multiple emf's using Kirchhoff's

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The discussion revolves around calculating the currents I_1, I_2, and I_3 in a circuit with multiple electromotive forces (emf) using Kirchhoff's Rules. Participants are exploring the relationships between the currents and the application of Kirchhoff's laws in a circuit context.

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  • Participants discuss the setup of equations based on Kirchhoff's Rules, with one participant expressing uncertainty about the correctness of their initial equations. There is a suggestion to reconsider the direction of current in the first equation, leading to a revised formulation. Subsequent attempts to solve the equations yield different current values, prompting further questioning of the relationships between the currents.

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The discussion is active, with participants revising their approaches based on feedback. Some have reported finding new values for the currents after adjusting their equations, while others express confusion about the results and their alignment with previous parts of the problem.

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Homework Statement


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Find I_1, I_2 and I_3 if the switch, k, is closed using Kirchhoff's Rules.

Homework Equations


V=IR

The Attempt at a Solution



I've had multiple attempts at this and this one is the one that came closest to a solution.

Setting up 3 equations:
1) I_1 = 1_2 + I_3 => I_1 - I_2 - I_3 =0
2) 12V + I_3*(4 Ohm) - I_1*(7 Ohm) = 0
3) 12V - 9V - I_2*(5 Ohm) - I_1*(7 Ohm) = 0

2) 12 = 7*I_1 - 4*I_3 => 12 = 7*(I_2 + I_3) - 4*I_3 => 12 = 7*I_2 + 3*I_3
3) 3 = 7*I_1 + 5*I_2 => 3 = 7*(I_2 + I_3) + 5*I_2 => 3 = 12*I_2 + 7*I_3

Getting rid of I_3:

84 = 49*I_2 + 21*I_3
09 = 36*I_2 + 21*I_3
---------------------------
75 = 13*I_2

I_2 = 5.75

By substituting in, I get

I_1 = -3.7
I_3 = -9.5

Is this anywhere near correct, I don't know why, but somehow this seems fishy to me :S
 
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Spudnik said:
1) I_1 = 1_2 + I_3 => I_1 - I_2 - I_3 =0

I think your first equation is not correct. Pay close attention to the direction of the arrows. See how the sum together at either center top node, or center bottom node. You'll find that

I2 = I1 + I3

(not, I1 = I2 + I3 that you originally had.)

[Edit: Oh, and Spudnik, welcome to Physics Forums!]
 
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OK, I redid it with the new formula and I got

I1=0.25
I2=0.25
I3=-2.5625

Clearly this does not fit the initial equation I2=I1+I3

It's strange though because those are the same values I got for I1 and I2 for part A) where it asked for the currents with the switch open...
 
Double posting because I figured it out:

I1= 72/83 A
I2= -51/83 A
I3= -123/83 A

Using
I2=I1+I3
12+4I3-7I1=0
12-9-5I2-7I1=0

Setting them up for a matrix:

I1 + I2 + I3 = Voltage
+1 -1 +1 =0
-7 +0 +4 =-12
-7 -5 +0 =-3

Letting the calculator do the rest for you: priceless.
 

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