Calculating Div and Curl for some arbitrary vector fields

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The discussion revolves around calculating the divergence and curl of various vector fields, specifically focusing on fields defined in terms of a radial distance \( r \) and a constant vector \( \hat{a} \). Participants are exploring the implications of the vector notation and the mathematical operations involved in vector calculus.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of spherical and Cartesian coordinates for calculating divergence and curl. There are questions about the definition of a constant vector and its implications for the calculations. Some participants attempt to clarify the operations involved in the calculations for each part of the problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes attempts to solve the problem, with some participants providing partial solutions and others questioning the assumptions made about the vector fields. There is an acknowledgment of the need for vector identities in the calculations, indicating a productive direction in the exploration of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note a transcription error regarding the notation of vectors, which may have caused confusion in understanding the problem setup. The discussion also highlights the distinction between unit vectors and constant vectors, which is central to the problem.

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Homework Statement



Calculate the (1) divergence and (2) curl of the following vector fields.
(a) [tex]\widehat{E}(\widehat{x}) = r^{n}\widehat{x}[/tex]
(b) [tex]\widehat{E}(\widehat{x}) = r^{n}\widehat{a}[/tex]
(c) [tex]\widehat{E}(\widehat{x}) = r^{n}*(\widehat{a} X \widehat{x}[/tex]
where r = |[tex]\widehat{x}|[/tex] and [tex]\widehat{a}[/tex] is a constant vector .


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I know how to find the divergence and curl of a vector or scalar field if told the equation for the field explicitly, but how would I solve the above? I don't know where to begin so any help would be greatly appreciated!

Also what is a constant vector? I thought to define a vector you have to give a direction and magnitude and in giving it those quantities you effectively make it constant? Unless it means that wherever in your coordiante system it is it has the same value (but wouldn't that just be a vector)? Please help.
 
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Vuldoraq said:
I know how to find the divergence and curl of a vector or scalar field if told the equation for the field explicitly, but how would I solve the above? I don't know where to begin so any help would be greatly appreciated!

You are given the explicit fields.

For the first one, you have two good options: (1) Use Spherical coordinates where [tex]\hat{x}[/tex] denotes the radial unit vector, and [tex]r[/tex] denotes the radius. (2) Use Cartesian coordinates, where [tex]r=\sqrt{x^2+y^2+z^2}[/tex] and [tex]\hat{x}=\frac{x\hat{i}+y\hat{j}+z\hat{k}}{\sqrt{x^2+y^2+z^2}}[/tex].

Also what is a constant vector? I thought to define a vector you have to give a direction and magnitude and in giving it those quantities you effectively make it constant? Unless it means that wherever in your coordiante system it is it has the same value (but wouldn't that just be a vector)? Please help.

The length or direction of some vectors depend on position. For example, the length of the vector [tex]\vec{u}=2x\hat{i}[/tex] depends on its position along the x-axis. A constant vector is a vector whose length and direction are position independent. For example; [tex]\vec{u}=4\hat{i}-3\hat{j}[/tex] always has length of 5 units, and always points in the same direction no matter where it is placed.
 
Okay, thankyou for your help.

For part (a) then, is this the right solution;

[tex]\nabla \cdot \widehat{E}=\frac{1}{r^{2}} \frac{d}{dr} r^{2}r^{n}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{1}{r^{2}} \frac{d}{dr} r^{n+2}=(n+2)*r^{n-1}[/tex]

[tex]\nabla \times \widehat{E}=0[/tex]

For part (b) would both the divergence and the curl be zero because the constant vector [tex]\widehat{a}[/tex] has no dependence on the coordinate system?

For part c I'm not really sure how to cross [tex]\widehat{x}[/tex] and [tex]\widehat{a}[/tex]. Is it right to say that (using spherical polars);

[tex]\widehat{x}=\widehat{r}*x[/tex]
and
[tex]\widehat{a}=\widehat{r}*a_{1}+\widehat{\theta}*a_{2}+\widehat{\phi}*a_{3}[/tex]?
 
I have made a cancerous error in the transcription of my problem from paper to pc. All the hats below, implying unit vectors, should be arrows, making them plain vectors.

Vuldoraq said:

Homework Statement



Calculate the (1) divergence and (2) curl of the following vector fields.
(a) [tex]\widehat{E}(\widehat{x}) = r^{n}\widehat{x}[/tex]
(b) [tex]\widehat{E}(\widehat{x}) = r^{n}\widehat{a}[/tex]
(c) [tex]\widehat{E}(\widehat{x}) = r^{n}*(\widehat{a} \times \widehat{x})[/tex]
where r = |[tex]\widehat{x}|[/tex] and [tex]\widehat{a}[/tex] is a constant vector .

Thus we should have;

(a) [tex]\vec{E}(\vec{x}) = r^{n}\vec{x}[/tex]
(b) [tex]\vec{E}(\vec{x}) = r^{n}\vec{a}[/tex]
(c) [tex]\vec{E}(\vec{x}) = r^{n}*(\vec{a} \times \vec{x})[/tex]
where r = |[tex]\vec{x}|[/tex] and [tex]\vec{a}[/tex] is a constant vector .
 
Vuldoraq said:
I have made a cancerous error in the transcription of my problem from paper to pc. All the hats below, implying unit vectors, should be arrows, making them plain vectors.
Thus we should have;

(a) [tex]\vec{E}(\vec{x}) = r^{n}\vec{x}[/tex]
(b) [tex]\vec{E}(\vec{x}) = r^{n}\vec{a}[/tex]
(c) [tex]\vec{E}(\vec{x}) = r^{n}*(\vec{a} \times \vec{x})[/tex]
where r = |[tex]\vec{x}|[/tex] and [tex]\vec{a}[/tex] is a constant vector .

Okay; then for (a)so the same thing as above but with [tex]\vec{x}=r\hat{x}[/tex]

For (b) and (c), you will need to use a couple of vector identities. Be careful, [tex]\vec{a}[/tex] is a constant vector, so [tex]\vec{\nabla}\cdot\vec{a}=\vec{\nabla}\times\vec{a}=0[/tex]...But that doesn't necessarily mean [tex]\vec{\nabla}\cdot(r^n\vec{a})=0[/tex] or [tex]\vec{\nabla}\times(r^n\vec{a})=0[/tex]...you have vector identities for the div/curl of the product between a scalar function and a vector function don't you?...Use them.
 
I see. I think it was just the new notation my teacher is using this term that threw me off. It seems so simple now that you have explained it to me (a clear explanation is worth a hundred hours of hard work!).

Thanks for your help!
 

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