Calculating Efficiency of a Steam Turbine at Varying Temperatures

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The discussion revolves around calculating the maximum efficiency of a steam turbine operating between varying temperatures. The original poster presents a scenario involving a steam turbine that takes vapor at 463°C and exhausts it to a steam boiler at 238°C, before receiving steam from the boiler and exhausting it to a condenser at 38°C.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the appropriate equations for calculating efficiency, with some suggesting the Carnot efficiency formula. Questions arise regarding the correct temperatures to use in the calculations and the implications of using Celsius versus Kelvin.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the problem, with participants questioning the use of specific equations and the relevance of different temperature scales. Some guidance has been offered regarding the Carnot engine, but clarity on which temperatures to apply remains a point of confusion.

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Participants express urgency in understanding the concepts before an upcoming test, indicating a desire to learn rather than simply obtain answers. There is mention of a specific efficiency value, but its derivation is not discussed in detail.

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Homework Statement


A steam turbine takes vapor at 463 deg c and exahusts it to a steam boiler at 238 deg c. the turbine then receives a steam from the boiler at this temperature and exhausts it to a condenser at 38 deg c. what the is the maxumim efficiency of this combination.



Homework Equations


honestly, i am not sure what equation to use. i tried efficiency=work/Q but then i have unknown variables.



The Attempt at a Solution


(under relevant equations) all i am sure of s that i have to convert to kelvin, which makes the new temperatures 736, 511, and 311 respectivley.
 
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C and K both increase at the same rate (C + 273 = K, i.e. +1C = +1K), so you should be able to use either in your calculations. You should be wary of F however, which has a rate of 9/5C (F = 9/5C + 32, i.e. +1C = +9/5F) and always change F to either C or K.

*Bum Steer.

Check the maximum efficiency engine efficiency formula , and assume that the entire process is one giant engine.
 
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yes but how does that help me find efficiency?
 


im still a bit confused
 


would i still use the equation i stated above?
Will someone please help me one this? i really need help before tomorrow. its not like I am cheating anything... i have the answer but i have a test on this and i don't know how to get to the answer. i want to learn it. will someone please help?
 
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name_ask17 said:

Homework Statement


A steam turbine takes vapor at 463 deg c and exahusts it to a steam boiler at 238 deg c. the turbine then receives a steam from the boiler at this temperature and exhausts it to a condenser at 38 deg c. what the is the maxumim efficiency of this combination.
What kind of a (theoretical) heat engine gives maximum efficiency? What does the efficiency of this type of engine? Assume that the turbine is that kind of engine.

AM
 


the answer should be 91.8%
 


should i refer to the carnot engine?
 


if it is the carnot engine, i would use the equation T(hot)-T(cold)/T(hot). but in the problem, there are three different temperatures. which ones do i use?
 
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nevermind i got it(: thanks !
 

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