Calculating EMF and Internal Resistance: A Practical Guide

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating electromotive force (EMF) and internal resistance in a circuit involving a battery, switch, resistance, and voltmeter. Participants are working with two sets of measurements: one with a resistance of 3 ohms and a voltage of 3.6 volts, and another with a resistance of 5 ohms and a voltage of 3.8 volts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between EMF and voltage, questioning whether they can be considered the same. There are attempts to apply Ohm's law to derive current and set up equations based on the measurements provided.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on forming simultaneous equations from the measurements to solve for EMF and internal resistance. There is an acknowledgment of the need for a circuit diagram, and while some participants express uncertainty, others indicate they are beginning to understand how to approach the problem.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of insufficient data at the start, and participants are encouraged to clarify the problem statement and ensure all relevant information is provided. The presence of an internal voltmeter is noted but not fully understood by all participants.

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Homework Statement


I need to calculate EMF and internal resistance from the given resistance and voltage.
R = 3 ohms
U = 3,6 V
EMF- ?
I0 - ?
r - ?

Homework Equations


I = U/R
EMF = A/q
I = EMF/R+r
I0 = EMF/r

The Attempt at a Solution


I = 3,6/3 = 1,2 A
I = EMF/R+r
1,2= EMF/3+r
^ I hit a wall there, don't know whether to consider EMF to be the same as Voltage or not. Help please.
 
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Gustavs1337 said:

Homework Statement


I need to calculate EMF and internal resistance from the given resistance and voltage.
R = 3 ohms
U = 3,6 V
EMF- ?
I0 - ?
r - ?

Homework Equations


I = U/R
EMF = A/q
I = EMF/R+r
I0 = EMF/r

The Attempt at a Solution


I = 3,6/3 = 1,2 A
I = EMF/R+r
1,2= EMF/3+r
^ I hit a wall there, don't know whether to consider EMF to be the same as Voltage or not. Help please.
Given data is insufficient. Are you sure you posted all the given quantities?
 
cnh1995 said:
Given data is insufficient. Are you sure you posted all the given quantities?
There is a second measurement which is with a resistance of 5 and a voltage of 3,8. I am not sure if that helps. Also the electric circuit consists of a switch, battery, resistance and an internal voltmeter ( not sure about the internal part but it is on the inside of the circuit and not the outside).
 
Could you state the exact problem statement?
 
Circuit consisting of battery, switch, resistance and a voltmeter. We take 2 measurements. One with a resistance of 3 ohms, there's voltage of 3.6 volts. Second with a resistance of 5, there's a voltage of 3.8 volts. Calculate the EMF, internal resistance and short-circuit current(sorry i didnt mention the short circuit current before)
 
Gustavs1337 said:
Circuit consisting of battery, switch, resistance and a voltmeter. We take 2 measurements. One with a resistance of 3 ohms, there's voltage of 3.6 volts. Second with a resistance of 5, there's a voltage of 3.8 volts. Calculate the EMF, internal resistance and short-circuit current(sorry i didnt mention the short circuit current before)
Ok. Start by drawing a circuit diagram.
Calculate current I in both the cases using Ohm's law.
Gustavs1337 said:
I = EMF/R+r
You know R and I for two measurements. You havd two unknowns Emf and r.
Form two simultaneous equations with two unknowns from the given measurements and solve them.
 
Do you want me to show you the diagram? I cannot show you but i have it drawn. The I in both cases are 1.2 and 0.76 ohms.
1.2=x:(3+y)
0.76=x:(5+y) do you mean like this? How to solve them? Do i use the sum method or something?
 
Ok i get it now, thanks. I think i can calculate emf and r now from the equations.
 

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