Calculating Energy Stored in a Metallic Object in a Magnetic Field

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The discussion revolves around calculating the energy stored in a metallic object, specifically a soft iron sphere or cylinder, when subjected to an external magnetic field. Participants explore the theoretical and mathematical aspects of this problem, including the influence of geometry and field orientation.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a method to compute the energy stored in a metallic object in a magnetic field, expressing difficulty with their current results.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of a strong mathematical description and suggests that the geometry of the object significantly affects the energy calculation.
  • A specific case of a soft iron sphere in a uniform magnetic field is discussed, with a proposed formula for magnetization and magnetic energy.
  • Questions arise regarding the basic relations needed for calculations involving different shapes, such as cylinders, and the dependence of the magnetic field on the angle of small areas relative to the external field.
  • Clarifications are made about the integral used to calculate energy, with a correction regarding the notation and the conditions under which it applies.
  • Participants note that the energy calculation is very shape-dependent and suggest using electrostatic methods adapted for magnetism to find the necessary fields and magnetization.
  • A reference to a book by Stratton is provided as a resource for further understanding the general solution to the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of understanding and approaches to the problem, with no consensus reached on a single method or formula applicable to all shapes. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach for different geometries.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the problem, particularly for non-standard shapes, and the dependence on specific conditions such as the orientation of the magnetic field and the geometry of the object.

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Hi!

I'd like to know if there is some way of computing or deriving the energy stored in a metallic object subject to a magnetic field from external sources?

Say, an iron cylinder or a sphere in a magnetic field (that is uniform or non-uniform). What is the energy in the cylinder because of this external magnetic field? Is there some formula that I can use or some concept or site that I can look at to understand this? Been stuck with this for a while and my results don't look right.

Appreciate any help in advance.
 
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Btw, I'd appreciate a strong mathematical description (link, theory, idea), etc. Am a grad student, so the math itself isn't the problem. Just the concept, taking into account interface conditions, etc. I assume that's how it's done in PF? Suggestions are always welcome.
 
The energy depends on the geometry of the object, among other things.
A soft iron sphere in an originally uniform magnetic field B_0 is probably the easiest case.
The magnetization in the sphere is uniform, given by M=3B_0/4pi (in Gaussian units).
This is found in the same way as for a dielectric sphere in a uniform electric field.
The magnetic energy is given by U=(1/8\pi)\int B^2d^r,
for which I get U=B_0^2R^3/4pi.
 
Thanks for that Pam,

But what is the basic relation that I derive this from? I'd like to do it for a cylinder and for some other shapes too. Wouldn't the field depend on the angle that each small area makes with the external field?

And is that integrand B^2*d^r? What's that notation?
 
I was a bit careless, The integral should be
U=(1/8\pi)\int {\vec B}\cdot{\vec H}d^3r.
However, since H~0 inside a high mu sphere, the integral is for all space outside the sphere where B=H, so the B^2 is correct here.
The problem for a soft iron sphere is just the same as for a dielectric sphere in an electric field, which is done in most EM books. Then, the B field for r>R is just that of a dipole.
The energy is very shape dependent. For a long narrow cylinder aligned with the B_0 field, or for a disk, the calculation is also fairly simple.
The procedure is:
Use the standard electrostatic methods, just letting E-->H, D-->B, P-->M, epsilon-->mu
to find B, H, and M. Then do the integral over B.H.
For more complicated, shapes, the first step becomes very complicated.
 

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