Calculating Force for a Box on an Inclined Ramp

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The problem involves calculating the force required to keep a box at rest on an inclined ramp, taking into account the mass of the box, the angle of inclination, and the coefficients of static and kinetic friction.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the calculations for the forces acting on the box, including gravitational force, normal force, and frictional force. There are attempts to derive the necessary force to maintain the box at rest, with some questioning the accuracy of their calculations.

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There is a mix of agreement and differing results among participants regarding the calculated force. Some participants confirm the calculations while others provide slightly different values, indicating ongoing exploration of the problem.

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Participants are working under the constraints of the problem as presented, including the specific coefficients of friction and the angle of the ramp. There is an emphasis on ensuring the box remains at rest, which influences the calculations being discussed.

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This one's killing me:

A box with a mass of 22 kg is at rest on a ramp inclined at 45 degrees to the horizontal. The coefficients of friction between the box and the ramp are u(s) = 0.78 and u(k) = 0.65.

Determine the magnitude of the smallest force that can be applied onto the top of the box, perpendicular to the ramp, if the box is to remain at rest.

Here's what I'm coming up with:

F(s) = mgsin theta
= (22 kg)(9.8 m/s^2)sin 45 degrees
= 152 N

F(n) = F(s)*u(s)
= (152 N)(0.78)
= 119 N

F(a) = F(n) - Fgcos theta
= 119 N - 152 N
= -33 N

Does this look correct?
 
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Actually, after looking this over once more, I'm thinking:

F(n) = F(g) cos theta + F(a)

Since, F(s) = u(s)F(n), and I've determined F(s) to be 152 N, then

152 N = u(s) (F(g) cos theta + F(a))
= 0.78(152 N + F(a))
= 119 N + 0.78(F(a))
152 N - 119 N = 0.78(F(a))
33 N = 0.78(F(a))

Therefore F(a) = 33 N/0.78
= 42 N

Can anyone confirm this?
 
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Seems correct to me. I got the same answer.
 
Haven't looked through all the steps in your working, but I have 43N as the force required.
 

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