Calculating Induced EMF in a Bent Loop with Changing Magnetic Field

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The discussion revolves around calculating the induced electromotive force (emf) in a bent loop of wire subjected to a changing magnetic field. The loop consists of two semicircles positioned in perpendicular planes, and the magnetic field is being reduced at a uniform rate.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of magnetic flux through each semicircle and the application of the formula for induced emf. There are questions about the correct interpretation of angles and components of the magnetic field in relation to the surfaces of the semicircles.

Discussion Status

Some participants have shared their calculations and results, indicating a range of values for the induced emf. There is an ongoing exploration of the methods used and the potential discrepancies in results, with suggestions to clarify the calculations presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of the angles involved in the calculation and the need to consider the components of the magnetic field that are perpendicular to the surfaces of the semicircles. There is also mention of a figure that is not available for reference, which may affect the clarity of the problem setup.

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Homework Statement



The figure below shows a closed loop of wire that consists of a pair of equal semicircles, of radius 7.0 cm, lying in mutually perpendicular planes. The loop was formed by folding a flat circular loop along a diameter until the two halves became perpendicular to each other. A uniform magnetic field B of magnitude 91 mT is directed perpendicular to the fold diameter and makes equal angles (of 45°) with the planes of the semicircles. The magnetic field is reduced to zero at a uniform rate during a time interval of 39 ms. During this interval, what are the (a) magnitude and (b)direction (clockwise or counterclockwise when viewed along the direction of B) of the emf induced in the loop?
https://edugen.wileyplus.com/edugen/courses/crs7165/art/qb/qu/c30/pict_30_14.gif

Homework Equations


##
\frac{\mathrm{d} \Phi }{\mathrm{d} t}= - \varepsilon,
\Phi = \mathbf{B}\cdot \textbf{A} ##

The Attempt at a Solution


I summed up the flux through each semicircle and divided by delta t, but that gives the wrong answer (Part A is about the magnitude so there aren't any issues with the negative sign). I asked a tutor and he thought it should be done the same way (even looked it up online and saw the same method being used) Not sure where to go from here.
 
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Hello,

Could you attach the figure? It seems you wanted to but forgot :>
 
Can't, but I think the problem statement explains the situation clearly enough. I will add though that the field lines are coming in such that each one of them only goes through one semicircle, i.e. the flux is not 0 to begin with.
 
GwtBc said:
I summed up the flux through each semicircle and divided by delta t,
Did you take the components of B field perpendicular to the surfaces while calculating flux?
 
cnh1995 said:
Did you take the components of B field perpendicular to the surfaces while calculating flux?
Yep
 
Your approach is correct, It is better to show your work so we can see what might have gone wrong.
 
GwtBc said:

Homework Statement



The figure below shows a closed loop of wire that consists of a pair of equal semicircles, of radius 7.0 cm, lying in mutually perpendicular planes. The loop was formed by folding a flat circular loop along a diameter until the two halves became perpendicular to each other. A uniform magnetic field B of magnitude 91 mT is directed perpendicular to the fold diameter and makes equal angles (of 45°) with the planes of the semicircles. The magnetic field is reduced to zero at a uniform rate during a time interval of 39 ms. During this interval, what are the (a) magnitude and (b)direction (clockwise or counterclockwise when viewed along the direction of B) of the emf induced in the loop?
https://edugen.wileyplus.com/edugen/courses/crs7165/art/qb/qu/c30/pict_30_14.gif

Homework Equations


##
\frac{\mathrm{d} \Phi }{\mathrm{d} t}= - \varepsilon,
\Phi = \mathbf{B}\cdot \textbf{A} ##

The Attempt at a Solution


I summed up the flux through each semicircle and divided by delta t, but that gives the wrong answer (Part A is about the magnitude so there aren't any issues with the negative sign). I asked a tutor and he thought it should be done the same way (even looked it up online and saw the same method being used) Not sure where to go from here.

what answer did you get?...I got 2.3mV
 
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Biker said:
Your approach is correct, It is better to show your work so we can see what might have gone wrong.
Since the angle between the field and both sections of the area of the same, and the angle given is with the plane and not the normal
B*A*sin(theta) = flux
flux/change in time = emf
so:
(0.07^2*pi*91*10^-3 * sqrt(2)/2)/(39*10^-3) = 25 mV
 
lychette said:
what answer did you get?...I got 2.3mV
I got an answer slightly above 25 mV
 
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GwtBc said:
I got an answer slightly above 25 mV
Yes that is the right answer, and to be precise.
25.3984 mV
Did you put your answer in an online website? or Did you find the answer to be different than what you got in a book?
If it is in an online website, Trying placing the exact value and not an approximation.
 

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