Calculating Integral Substituting and Showing Convergence in x\rightarrow0

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the integral \( I(x) = \frac{1}{\pi} \int^{\pi}_{0} \sin(xsint) dt \) and demonstrating its behavior as \( x \rightarrow 0 \). Participants are exploring the series expansion of the sine function and its implications for the integral's convergence.

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  • Participants discuss using a series expansion for \( \sin(xsint) \) and integrating term by term. There is mention of linear approximations and the relevance of ignoring higher-order terms. Questions arise about the integration process and the evaluation of limits at specific bounds.

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Some participants have suggested methods for approaching the problem, including evaluating derivatives at zero and integrating the series expansion. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of these methods, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach or understanding of the integration process.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of the integral and its limits, with some expressing confusion about specific steps in the integration and evaluation process. The discussion is framed within the constraints of homework expectations, which may limit the depth of guidance provided.

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Consider the integral
\begin{equation}
I(x)= \frac{1}{\pi} \int^{\pi}_{0} sin(xsint) dt
\end{equation}
show that
\begin{equation}
I(x)= \frac{2x}{\pi} +O(x^{3})
\end{equation}
as x\rightarrow0.

=> sin(x.sint)= x.sint - \frac{(x-sint)^3}{3!}+...

and integrate term by term should give
- x.sint - \frac{1}{12}(cos3t-9cost)+...
when substituting $t=\pi$ and $t=0$ something else comes up.
please help me.
 
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As x → 0, the linear approximation of sin is enough and indeed the question wants you to ignore further terms in the expansion (the next term being cubic).
 
wel said:
Consider the integral
\begin{equation}
I(x)= \frac{1}{\pi} \int^{\pi}_{0} sin(xsint) dt
\end{equation}
show that
\begin{equation}
I(x)= \frac{2x}{\pi} +O(x^{3})
\end{equation}
as x\rightarrow0.

=> sin(x.sint)= x.sint - \frac{(x-sint)^3}{3!}+...

and integrate term by term should give
- x.sint - \frac{1}{12}(cos3t-9cost)+...
when substituting $t=\pi$ and $t=0$ something else comes up.
please help me.

Hi wel!

As suggested in your previous thread, solve it in the following way:
$$I(x)=I(0)+I'(0)x+I''(0)\frac{x^2}{2!}+O(x^3)$$
Obviously ##I(0)=0##.

Can you find ##I'(x)## and then ##I'(0)##?
 
sin(x\cdot sint) = x\cdot sint - \dfrac{(x\cdot sint)^3}{3!} + ...,
then I guess I have to integrate term by term.
I(0)=0
integrate I(x)= x sint at t =\pi and t=0 gives the answer but I really don't know why and how?
 
wel said:
sin(x\cdot sint) = x\cdot sint - \dfrac{(x\cdot sint)^3}{3!} + ...,
then I guess I have to integrate term by term.
I(0)=0
integrate I(x)= x sint at t =\pi and t=0 gives the answer but I really don't know why and how?
Which part(s) of this procedure don't you understand ?
 

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