Calculating mass by pressure needed to move object

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a cylinder containing hydrogen gas and a piston, with the goal of calculating the mass of the piston based on pressure changes resulting from temperature variations. The context includes the ideal gas law and the relationships between pressure, volume, and temperature.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the ideal gas law by equating two states of the gas, but encounters difficulties in deriving the correct pressure and subsequently the mass of the piston. Some participants request clarification on the steps taken in the calculations.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging in the problem, with some providing guidance on the need for clearer steps in the calculations. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between pressure and force exerted on the piston, but no consensus has been reached regarding the correct approach to find the mass.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the calculations and the application of the ideal gas law, particularly in determining the pressure and its implications for the mass of the piston. The original poster's assumptions and the data provided may also be under scrutiny.

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Homework Statement


A cilinder is filled with 50mg of H2 gas. In the cilinder is a piston with a surface of 27cm The temperature of the gas equals 298K. The piston rises 2cm when the temperature rises 30 degrees. Calculate the mass of the piston
Also given data:
MH2=2.02g/mol

Right answer: 3.6kg
2. Homework Equations

Ideal gas equation : p.V = n.R.T

The Attempt at a Solution


I though the volume rose with 2x27cm^2 = 54cm^3
So I used the ideal gas formula and used Volume 1 as X and Volume2 as x+54 and equaled those formulas to each other but received the wrong answer.
 
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Hello and welcome to PF.

You said that you "equaled those formulas to each other". Could you show the steps involved in doing this?
 
TSny said:
Hello and welcome to PF.

You said that you "equaled those formulas to each other". Could you show the steps involved in doing this?
p=nRT/V1=nRT/V2
I calculated that n= 0,024

(0,024.8,31.298K)/x=(0,024.8,31.328K)/(x+0,54)

I tried to find x there and ended up with 0,56. Then I put the x back in the formula and tried to find the pressure with it. Which was 106(pa?). How to find the mass of the piston with that is still a mystery
 
Physics123537 said:
Then I put the x back in the formula and tried to find the pressure with it. Which was 106(pa?). How to find the mass of the piston with that is still a mystery
if that's the pressure, what force is it exerting on the piston?
 

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