Calculating Normal Vectors for Particle Motion

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating normal vectors related to particle motion, specifically focusing on the decomposition of acceleration into tangential and normal components. The context is rooted in calculus, particularly in understanding vector functions and their derivatives.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to find the normal component of acceleration and expresses confusion over differing results from two equations. They question the orthogonality of the tangent and normal vectors and seek clarification on the best method to calculate the normal vector.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the definitions and relationships between the tangent and normal vectors. Some guidance has been offered regarding the assumptions about the orthogonality of T and N, with a suggestion that the acceleration vector may not be constant. The discussion is ongoing with multiple interpretations being considered.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of frustration from the original poster regarding the calculations, and it is noted that this is not a graded assignment. The discussion includes questions about the assumptions related to the vectors involved.

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Homework Statement

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This problem is from Jon Rogawski's Calculus-Early Transcendentals
At a certain moment, a moving particle has velocity v={2,2,-1} and a={0,4,3}. Find T, N and the decomposition of a into tangential and normal components.

Homework Equations


ANYTHING IN [ ] REPRESENTS A LENGTH OF A QUANTITY and . stands for dot product
T[/B](t)=v(t)/[v(t)]
N(t)=T '(t)/[T '(t)]
an=√([a]^2-at^2)
at=a.T
an=a.N=√([a]^2-at^2)

The Attempt at a Solution


So I'm trying to find an, the normal component of acceleration, but by using the two definitions and equations found in the book I am coming to different values. So I first calculated T={2/3,2/3,-1/3}, and then N={0,4/5,3/5}. Then I calculated at=5/3 and then I calculated an by the first equation (an=√([a]^2-at^2)) to equal an=(10/3)(√2), but using the second equation I get an=5. What am I doing wrong? And also, do T and N always have to be orthogonal? This isn't a graded assignment or anything, but it's causing me frustration. Thanks for your time.
 
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You appear to be assuming that the acceleration vector is itself normal to the tangent vector. That is not necessarily true because you are not told that the acceleration is constant.
 
Ok, so is this reply in response to whether T and N are always orthogonal? Also, for a problem such as the one above, what is the best way to calculate N? Thank you for your response.
 
BennyT said:
Ok, so is this reply in response to whether T and N are always orthogonal? Also, for a problem such as the one above, what is the best way to calculate N? Thank you for your response.
I'm sure it wasn't about whether they are orthogonal. They definitely are.

Vector T is in the direction of motion, you did that correctly.

Vector N is perpendicular to vector T, and is in the plane of the particle's motion. Basically it's in direction of the component of acceleration vector, a, that's perpendicular to vector T .
 

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